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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by lenkite »

baix777 wrote: post #154
lenkite wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages (probably more) that make this quote seem like a soft, fluffy teddy bear. But no one here accuses twitter of being a terrorist platform. Your last line is absolutely correct: To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

Just because twitter has illegal content doesn't make what parler was doing any less illegal. Just because someone else breaks the law doesn't give you a free pass. This is not a free speech issue on any social media. Amazon had every right to stop illegal activity on their platform.

I believe the "law" should be applied equally. "Illegal activity" ignored on one platform or given a wink and nod and scanned under a microscope on the other platform is strange.

The selective application of policy while pretending to be fair and unbiased tends to make folks cynical.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by lwansbrough »

phroobster wrote: post #150
gizmo686 wrote: post #132

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Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

Conservativism largely fails over time in the free marketplace of ideas as evidence by human progress and societal change. Conservativism is fundamentally about suppressing change in favour of familiarity and established norms, which could certainly be seen as censorship. An obvious example of this is the conservative/Puritan influence in American culture, which has lead to excessive censorship of sexual content and cursing in American media.

Censorship is a product of political extremism though, it has no basis in one political ideology, only in how aggressively it is applied to society.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by cambalache »

saila wrote: post #131
cambalache wrote: post #98

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The looneys in the right also are plentiful. the "American mainstream left" has been: Silent on their idol Biden bombing a middle east country. Hawkish on having a confrontation with China. Even a military one. Calling for any people with real or perceived criticism of them to be cancelled. Organized the BLM protests which caused 100X more economic damages than the crazies in the Capitol. They are in bed with the mai…

Everyone I know (personally or otherwise) who is an actual leftist is very vocally unhappy with the bombing of Syria, the lack of stimulus checks, ICE's policies, and Biden generally. He's most certainly not a leftist hero/idol.

A beautiful not-true-Scotman in the wild.

AOC -> Silent

Bernie -> Silent

Krugman -> Silent

Reich -> Silent

Faang Employees -> Silent

Ilham Omar -> To her credit, she spoke out.

If by "actual leftist" you mean people like Rania Khalek, I would agree, but unfortunately people like her are a tiny minority and constantly belittled, ignored or called tankies or something along those lines.

The mainstream left is dominated by the tech companies, by the mainstream press, by the universities and by the entertainment industry, all coastal highly privileged, 2% of income elites. Those are the people dominating the discourse and as Chomsky said they are "Manufacturing Consent". That includes a big portion of the "commentariat" here too.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by fattire »

wwww4all wrote: post #156
gizmo686 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

It’s mostly normal people freely associating with other normal people, without fascist establishment elite government control, like Twitter, Facebook, elite media, and most other social media. Did you ever wonder why you are calling others far right or far left? Why are you referring to other American citizens with those terms? Who is pushing those terms that divide the vast majority of normal Americans? Who stands t…

For those unaware, the premise of They Live is that the elites and one-percenters are actually inter-dimensionally traveling space aliens.

It's a great movie, but a metaphor not a "time-shifted documentary", unless I missed the latest Qdrop.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by effry-much »

dagmx wrote: post #155
phroobster wrote: post #150

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Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

How many left wing dictators have there been?

Plenty? Have you ever heard about the XX century? Bolsheviks? Fidel Castro?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by bawolff »

wwww4all wrote: post #156
gizmo686 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

It’s mostly normal people freely associating with other normal people, without fascist establishment elite government control, like Twitter, Facebook, elite media, and most other social media. Did you ever wonder why you are calling others far right or far left? Why are you referring to other American citizens with those terms? Who is pushing those terms that divide the vast majority of normal Americans? Who stands t…

Wait, you object to describing "american citizens" with political labels and then in the very next paragraph use a political label on a specific group of american citizens.

Interesting position.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Igelau »

cambalache wrote: post #85
SrslyJosh wrote: post #82

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Ah yes, the old "you made me become a neonazi" trope.

That is not a trope, much less an old one. The "I am ideologically pure and anyone against me must be censured, silenced or even more" is an old trope. You a white guy, are calling a POC a neonazi because I dont buy your discourse of being an enlightened superior being. Get lost.

How do you know they're a white guy?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by anigbrowl »

Ancapistani wrote: post #125
anigbrowl wrote: post #102

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The idea of public accommodation is ultimately based on the notion that commercial appeals (such as a store window and an open door) constitute an 'invitation to treat' (do business) and that these should not be withheld from anyone on the basis of their unalterable personal characteristics.

> these should not be withheld from anyone on the basis of their unalterable personal characteristics Where does this boundary lie? Is political party unalterable? Ideology? Religion?

That depends who you ask. I don't think religion is unalterable, for example, but in the USA it holds a privileged legal position for historical reasons - although courts have concluded that merely claiming religious status is insufficient, eg https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/18/18-1141.pdf

In general the Us recognizes race/ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation (to some degree) and religion as 'suspect classes' deserving of protection. But it's a thorny subject and understanding all the different perspectives is going to require a lot of reading.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by bawolff »

phroobster wrote: post #150
gizmo686 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

Wow. This comment section is a mess. Did y'all miss the other countries in the world that seem to be left wing without censorship. Or just history in general. Typically it tends to be a bit cyclic cycling between "left" ideas being popular at certain times and places, and right wing ideas being popular at certain times and places.
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