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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by saila »

cambalache wrote: post #98
PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you can refresh my memory, was it the "American mainstream left" that just sieged the Capitol in a murderous attempt to overthrow democracy?

The looneys in the right also are plentiful. the "American mainstream left" has been: Silent on their idol Biden bombing a middle east country. Hawkish on having a confrontation with China. Even a military one. Calling for any people with real or perceived criticism of them to be cancelled. Organized the BLM protests which caused 100X more economic damages than the crazies in the Capitol. They are in bed with the mai…

Everyone I know (personally or otherwise) who is an actual leftist is very vocally unhappy with the bombing of Syria, the lack of stimulus checks, ICE's policies, and Biden generally. He's most certainly not a leftist hero/idol.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by gizmo686 »

mikepost001 wrote: post #17
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

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Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right.

Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jordigh »

mikepost001 wrote: post #17
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…

"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

Because the only defense they constantly employ for saying atrocious things is that it's not literally illegal to say them. It's not literally illegal to be racist, it's not literally illegal to be xenophobic, it's not literally illegal to be transphobic. So they think they should be all those things, although they don't call themselves those names.

Things should be said based on the inherent merit of what they say, not be said just because it's not literally illegal to say them. If the only reason you can find for justifying what you say is that nobody has made a law yet to stop you (and we do have laws to stop some things from being said), then perhaps you need to find a better thing to say.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by enraged_camel »

naniwaduni wrote: post #124
GVIrish wrote: post #92

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> It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. > Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended. It's not that most Americans don't care about free speech. It's that most Americans understand that constitutional free speech means the government can't infringe on your speech, except in limited circumstances…

Before taking "constitutional" free speech for a concept, we have to understand that free speech is a prescriptive social norm . It happens to have a constitutional instantiation. That instantiation happens to be expressed as a restriction on the government's chartered power; this is an artifact of the process by which it was drafted, i.e. as part of a collection of proposed restraints on the powers federal governmen…

"Free speech" has never, ever meant "say whatever you want without any consequences whatsoever." That's what conservatives seem to be demanding these days. And when they don't get it, they whine about "cancel culture."

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by rbanffy »

naniwaduni wrote: post #115
TylerE wrote: post #94

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What’s labeled centrist in the US would be considered basically authoritarian fascism in most of the rest of the western world.

Not as much as you'd like to think of the "western world" is northern and western Europe. The "rest" of it includes, among other things, most of eastern Europe and pretty much all of South America.

I can say that "What’s labeled centrist in the US would be considered basically authoritarian fascism in most of Western Europe" and it'd still be right.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by glenngillen »

asabjorn wrote: post #106

As much as I love open source, Gab should have never been open source. It seems very unwise to make a highly targeted free speech social media platform available for easy backend code analysis. No wonder they were hacked. https://git.rip/gab/gab-social

Isn't this the reason most privacy conscious people advocate for OSS solutions? Precisely because their security can be verified and not prone to some undocumented backdoor that is secure purely through obscurity. Also "many eyes make all bugs shallow" etc etc.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by rbanffy »

enko123 wrote: post #127
covermydonkey wrote: post #57

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As a South African all of this is fascinating. Especially the shift of where the "center" is. It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting. Half a dozen of my friends have moved to the States and a few have scolded me for my understanding saying that plenty of centrists are labeled far right. I'm beginning to glaze over the label now. It doesn't hold any sway for me because i…

Left has the reins of power, so they don't need to pretend they care about tolerance, freedom, or the rule of law anymore.

And you say that after 4 years of a right-wing presidency and after at least 8 of right-wing legislative overstepping.

We all know Merrick Garland should be on the SCOTUS. He isn't because a right-wing senate didn't allow a black president to nominate him.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by roenxi »

dave_sullivan wrote: post #80
errantmind wrote: post #27

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Can you provide some evidence they catered to hate groups? It was my understanding they attracted hate groups due to their policy of 'free speech', but did not specifically cater to them

Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? Con: LOL no...no not those views Me: So....deregulation? Con: Haha no not those views either Me: Which views, exactly? Con: Oh, you know the ones

When Trump was banned from Twitter, they literally cited [0] “To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.” as a reason to ban him and claimed that it must be read as inciting violence. The other tweet wasn't as jaw droppingly banal but it was still perfectly acceptable political fare.

It is pretty clear they didn't have any quotes to back up supposed incitement. There is a lack of evidence behind the innuendo. It is likely they banned him for representing conservative views.

[0] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio...

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throw374u9 »

stickfigure wrote: post #130
lenkite wrote: post #114

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I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages (probably more) that make this quote seem like a soft, fluffy teddy bear. But no one here accuses twitter of being a terrorist platform. Your last line is absolutely correct: To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

> I can cherry-pick several thousand twitter messages I've heard this claim asserted before. I am unconvinced. Can you show me some examples?

#killallmen and similar hashtags. Verified users advocating genocide!
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