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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by seventytwo »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #81
Bostonian wrote: post #2

At Ars Technica, few of the commenters are concerned about the erosion of privacy and freedom of speech of Gab users.

First they came for the fascists, and I was happy. Then it ended, because slippery slope is a fallacy.

Yep, but even so the “free speech” thing is a false premise to begin with.

The public rebuke against places like Parler and Gab is not an attack on free speech. It’s ostracism. Those people still have 100% of their rights to free speech perfectly intact.

The constitution protects against restricts on your right to expression. It does not protect against other people refusing to listen to you or refusing to put up with you.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by anigbrowl »

throwaway33432 wrote: post #69
mint2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do so many people confusedly assume free speech means forcing printers to print neo-nazi propaganda. Whatever happened to freedom of association? Some businesses and people don’t want to associate with neonazis and don’t want to be known as the company that helps neonazis. Why do people who espouse free speech want to take away freedom to choose who one associates with?

freedom of association isn't really a thing anymore; if one were to promote that maxim, a large portion of the civil rights laws, anti-discrimination laws, etc. just become unenforceable. see stuff akin to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...

The idea of public accommodation is ultimately based on the notion that commercial appeals (such as a store window and an open door) constitute an 'invitation to treat' (do business) and that these should not be withheld from anyone on the basis of their unalterable personal characteristics.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by geofft »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #54
mint2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do so many people confusedly assume free speech means forcing printers to print neo-nazi propaganda. Whatever happened to freedom of association? Some businesses and people don’t want to associate with neonazis and don’t want to be known as the company that helps neonazis. Why do people who espouse free speech want to take away freedom to choose who one associates with?

Hmm... so in your opinion, back in the days of the Hollywood blacklist, when Louis B. Mayer decided that he wasn't going to buy any more screenplays from communists (or anyone who even had friends who were communists), that was perfectly okay? "Freedom of association", right? The truly bizarre thing about the "woke" movement is that they seem to have absolutely no conception that the stuff they're doing to others can…

It's confusing how you criticize leftists for not realizing that they could theoretically be the target of these attacks while citing an extremely well-known example of leftists being the target of these attacks.

Leftists are generally aware of this risk, because today there is no shortage of similar social pressure against leftist ideas, and do not think it's a concern. The problem is not that it's never occurred to them.

One reason why it's not a concern is that there's no reason to believe that a principled stand against this tactic by the left will have any influence on the right. Conservatives in Hollywood in the middle of the last century did not blacklist communists in response to any similar activity by communists; they did so spontaneously. So there's no reason to fear an increased risk of use of this tactic. Nobody is getting ideas they didn't already have.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by hidarinokutsu »

throwawaysea wrote: post #73
baix777 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Break into Congress and kill the swamp creatures". This is a quote from Parler, and this is known as incitement, which is often illegal. The first amendment does not apply to child porn for obvious reasons, but it also doesn't apply to threats of violence, which isn't so obvious to everyone. To make this obvious, this is not a free speech issue.

The number of messages on Parler that had content like that was probably very limited. You’re cherry picking one message on a platform with double digit millions of users to paint a certain picture. But let’s not forget about all the violence in BLM riots over the last year, much of which was organized and popularized on social media platforms like Twitter or Facebook, who all get a pass. And yes it is a free speech…

r/ParlerWatch has been surfacing violent threats for months, long before the Capitol riot.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by GVIrish »

covermydonkey wrote: post #57
leesalminen wrote: post #6

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> Both market to the (mostly American) far right, with their shtick being basically "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". It’s incredible that supporting free speech is considered to be only important enough to the “far right” now to be worth marketing to. Free speech used to be something all Americans supported and defended.

As a South African all of this is fascinating. Especially the shift of where the "center" is. It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting. Half a dozen of my friends have moved to the States and a few have scolded me for my understanding saying that plenty of centrists are labeled far right. I'm beginning to glaze over the label now. It doesn't hold any sway for me because i…

> As a South African all of this is fascinating. Especially the shift of where the "center" is.

> It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting.

What you are seeing is polarization. At the current moment, a lot of the Republican party has moved away from more moderate Republicanism and more towards Trumpism, which is a far right movement.

Fact is that more Republican Congress members voted to punish a moderate Republican like Liz Cheney for voting to impeach Trump, than voted to remove Marjorie Greene from committee assignments for claiming school shootings and 9/11,were a hoax and that California wildfires were caused by a Jewish space laser.

It's not that anyone who isn't left is now considered far right. It's that a lot of people who were more moderate Republicans in the past, have moved much farther to the right. There are more people on the left side of the political spectrum that moved father out too, but not enough to even nominate one of the far left candidates for president.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dheera »

l33t2327 wrote: post #79
mushbino wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free speech" in these instances means bigotry and calls to violence. Also, we're talking about private businesses here, you can't be that naive.

Private businesses used to occasionally support free speech as a concept.

When private businesses support free speech everyone sues the hell out of them for "interfering in elections" when it really was netizens swaying voter opinions using free speech.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by bmarquez »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #74
_coveredInBees wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And ironically enough, Parler, the bastion of "free speech" was happily banning people who were critical of right wingers or did not participate in the right-wing group think on their network. After rallying against liberals being "snowflakes" and needing "safe-spaces", Parler ironically enough ended up being just that for the extreme right.

Much the same as /r/conservative on Reddit.

Except /r/conservative never claimed to be unbiased. After people started brigading and posting threats (examples are occasionally shown by moderators) they had to tighten up their moderation.

In contrast, /r/politics claims to be about general politics but most content to the right of AOC/Bernie gets downvoted or deleted.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by saila »

cambalache wrote: post #70
covermydonkey wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a South African all of this is fascinating. Especially the shift of where the "center" is. It seemed every American not on the left is called "far right" from where I am sitting. Half a dozen of my friends have moved to the States and a few have scolded me for my understanding saying that plenty of centrists are labeled far right. I'm beginning to glaze over the label now. It doesn't hold any sway for me because i…

Because the American mainstream left became bananas. The Democratic and Republican parties would still be right-wing/conservative all across the world except in America, but the woke/sjw/faang crowd is socially hard-left also all across the world (not in economics or international politics, they are very conservative there,even hawkish). So, for example, me, a very leftist third world person has now more in common wi…

Your average Republican is going to be more authoritarian-leaning and hawkish than the not-actually-left FAANG caricature you're describing.

Republicans are pretty unlikely to support such leftist notions as democratizing the means of production, whereas your average FAANG employee just might.

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