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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by SSLy »

Karunamon wrote: post #193
nordsieck wrote: post #182

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> That's a neat idea but probably unworkable in practice. Container images need to be reliably available quickly; there is no appetite for the uncertainties surrounding the average torrent download Bittorrent seems to work quite well for linux isos, which are about the same size as containers, for obvious reasons. IMO, the big difference is that, with bittorrent, it's possible to very inexpensively add lots of semi-r…

Nobody is going to accept worrying about whether the torrent has enough people seeding in the middle of a CI run. And your usual torrent download is an explicit action with an explicit client, how are people going to seed these images and why would they? And what about the long tail?

> enough people seeding

the .torrent file format, and clients, include explicit support for HTTP mirrors serving the same files that's distributed via P2P.

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Post by ohgodplsno »

bushbaba wrote: post #246
ohgodplsno wrote: post #233

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Or you could, you know, host a Docker registry and reupload those images to something you control. Worst case scenario, in 30 days, nothing is gone from Docker and you can just spin it down. Your job as an SRE is not to look at things and go "oh well, nothing we can do lol".

That’s unplanned work. There’s other work needing to be done as well.

And a sudden fire is also unplanned work, but that's still your work. If this is such a threat, then maybe shift priorities around.

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Post by aembleton »

screamingninja wrote: post #221
user3939382 wrote: post #198

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It should use DHT/BitTorrent. Organizations could share magnet links to the official images. OS projects have been doing it for years with ISOs.

BitTorrent will solve the distribution problem but not magically provide more storage. Someone still has to foot the bill for storing gigabytes (or terabytes) worth of docker images.

Have a free client that seeds any images that you download, and a paid for one that doesn't. Now you have all those who don't want to pay providing your storage and bandwidth.

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Post by nine_k »

richardwhiuk wrote: post #234
dbingham wrote: post #230

As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…

You should be escrowing any Docker images you depend on, I'd have thought.

Good thing is that setting up an image registry in AWS is so simple! (Ha-ha, only serious.)

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Post by IncRnd »

voytec wrote: post #249
nine_k wrote: post #244

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Maybe it's a good thing that the guy affected hasn't been awarded the defense contract as a result.

People suffering from psychosis can create "facts" supporting their ideas and believe in them. Usually it's the stuff like "someone follows me", "someone wants to hurt me". Psychosis is the entry point to schizophrenia which is more or less, an illness in which brain makes stuff up and the ill person cannot differentiate facts from hallucinations. Possibly there was no defense contract at all.

That sounds very much how chatgpt acts.

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Post by bydlocoder »

nine_k wrote: post #250
bydlocoder wrote: post #217

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Some time ago I learned that Postman Labs that produces a nice but not-a-rocket-science HTTP client raised $433M at multi-billion valuation and has 500 employees. Isn't it astonishing?

Postman's strength is not in the HTTP client part. It is in the SaaS part, ad I think their valuation (even though overblown) mostly reflects their corporate penetration and the willingness of many companies to pay a small amount for their services.

The SaaS part being the offering for creating developer.acme.com type pages?

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Post by millerm »

I suppose BitTorrent for Images should be a thing (again?)

Discussions of decentralization and redundancy always come up in software/system design and development, but we seem to always gravitate to bottlenecks and full dependency on single entities for the tools we "need".

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Post by aembleton »

dijit wrote: post #231
JonChesterfield wrote: post #40

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We need to use a distributed system instead of a centralised one. Probably built on a source control system that can handle that.

What happened to the old mirror lists? The ones where apt/rpm package repositories tend to be hosted?

https://www.debian.org/mirror/list

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Post by vxNsr »

darkwater wrote: post #229
voytec wrote: post #128

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> Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. I have nothing but mad respect for Daniel Stenberg. 25 years of development of great software, for which he had been threatened[1] and had ridiculous US travel visa obtaining issues[2]. [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/02/19/i-will-slaughter-you/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26192025 [2] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/1…

> [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/02/19/i-will-slaughter-you/ Wow that's clearly someone with serious mental issues :( I hope he could find some help for his condition.

Yea schizophrenia is no joke. Even the follow up apology makes it clear he hasn’t recovered.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by mysterydip »

dbingham wrote: post #245
ohgodplsno wrote: post #233

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Or you could, you know, host a Docker registry and reupload those images to something you control. Worst case scenario, in 30 days, nothing is gone from Docker and you can just spin it down. Your job as an SRE is not to look at things and go "oh well, nothing we can do lol".

Yes, that involves ripping out Docker Hub everywhere. It's a significant chunk of work, not something easily fit into 30 days on a team that is already strapped for resources with more work than we can do.

I'm not familiar with how Docker works, so forgive the ignorance. I thought the point of docker images was portability? Is it not just taking the references and pointing to a new instance under your control?
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