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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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> worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. And Nix is worlds better than even this . Imagine!

How to run Nix on Gentoo and Debian?

https://trofi.github.io/posts/196-nix-on-gentoo-howto.html for gentoo, but

https://nixos.org/download.html for any linux, AFAIK

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It’s literally OCI compatible, integrates with systemd and LSM, and runs rootless by default. Podman is 100000% better designed on the inside with the same interface on the outside.

It’s the lack of fully compatible compose that matters most.

Podman appears to support the compose v2 spec, and the socket API, but still not fully supporting buildkit.

https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/podman-compose-docker-compos...

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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> Docker should have been a neat tool made by one enthusiast, just like curl is. I have nothing but mad respect for Daniel Stenberg. 25 years of development of great software, for which he had been threatened[1] and had ridiculous US travel visa obtaining issues[2]. [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/02/19/i-will-slaughter-you/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26192025 [2] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/1…

> [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/02/19/i-will-slaughter-you/ Wow that's clearly someone with serious mental issues :( I hope he could find some help for his condition.

Maybe it's a good thing that the guy affected hasn't been awarded the defense contract as a result.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…

Or you could, you know, host a Docker registry and reupload those images to something you control. Worst case scenario, in 30 days, nothing is gone from Docker and you can just spin it down. Your job as an SRE is not to look at things and go "oh well, nothing we can do lol".

Yes, that involves ripping out Docker Hub everywhere. It's a significant chunk of work, not something easily fit into 30 days on a team that is already strapped for resources with more work than we can do.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…

Or you could, you know, host a Docker registry and reupload those images to something you control. Worst case scenario, in 30 days, nothing is gone from Docker and you can just spin it down. Your job as an SRE is not to look at things and go "oh well, nothing we can do lol".

That’s unplanned work. There’s other work needing to be done as well.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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I think that people should switch to GitHub container registry for free images. I don't like this kind of centralisation, but I least one can expect for Microsoft to have enough money to provide service for free without strings attached, just like they do with Git hosting.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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As an SRE Manager, this is causing me a hell of a headache this morning. In 30 days a bunch of images we depend on may just disappear. We mostly depend on images from relatively large organizations (`alpine`, `node`, `golang`, etc), so one would want to believe that we'll be fine - they're all either in the open source program or will pay. But I can't hang my hat on that. If those images disappear, we lose the abilit…

Or you could, you know, host a Docker registry and reupload those images to something you control. Worst case scenario, in 30 days, nothing is gone from Docker and you can just spin it down. Your job as an SRE is not to look at things and go "oh well, nothing we can do lol".

i didn't read it as that, they were stating the realities, assumptions were made, those assumptions are now invalid, they are working on alternatives, 30days is a short deadline for something like this and docker as an organization is behaving poorly.

all of that seems pretty true, and frankly no one should support a company that does something like this. I get they need to figure out how to make money, but time has shown the worst way to do that is to screw over customers or potential customers.

I like the poster will never trust docker, and will never use their tooling or formats, pod-man all the way.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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> [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/02/19/i-will-slaughter-you/ Wow that's clearly someone with serious mental issues :( I hope he could find some help for his condition.

Maybe it's a good thing that the guy affected hasn't been awarded the defense contract as a result.

People suffering from psychosis can create "facts" supporting their ideas and believe in them. Usually it's the stuff like "someone follows me", "someone wants to hurt me". Psychosis is the entry point to schizophrenia which is more or less, an illness in which brain makes stuff up and the ill person cannot differentiate facts from hallucinations.

Possibly there was no defense contract at all.

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It seems like another symptom of zirp/cheap money. Lots of ideas that could have been a neat feature or tool somehow ended up raising $500M of funding with no viable plan on ever monetizing. The fact that the product is successful but after a decade they barely make $50M/year of revenue against $500M of lifetime funding is crazy. As a user, you can work at a company with a billion in revenue and barely owe them a few…

Some time ago I learned that Postman Labs that produces a nice but not-a-rocket-science HTTP client raised $433M at multi-billion valuation and has 500 employees. Isn't it astonishing?

Postman's strength is not in the HTTP client part. It is in the SaaS part, ad I think their valuation (even though overblown) mostly reflects their corporate penetration and the willingness of many companies to pay a small amount for their services.
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