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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Is there any drop in replacement for dockerhub? I’m concerned about all my random oss containers (like ruby-latest) that may come from orgs that aren’t able or willing to pay. Is there another container hosting site?

quay.io and ghcr.io are popular free options.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Can we just get the big three cloud players to make a new public repo? They’ve got oodles of bandwidth and storage, plus the advantage that a lot of access would be local to their private networks. Setup a non-profit, dedicate resources from each of them spendable as $X dollars of credits, and this problem is solved in a way that works for the real world. Not some federated mess that will never get off the ground.

aws already have one https://gallery.ecr.aws/

My team used ECR for some stuff and it’s not great. We want to move on from it.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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That's a neat idea but probably unworkable in practice. Container images need to be reliably available quickly; there is no appetite for the uncertainties surrounding the average torrent download

> That's a neat idea but probably unworkable in practice. Container images need to be reliably available quickly; there is no appetite for the uncertainties surrounding the average torrent download Bittorrent seems to work quite well for linux isos, which are about the same size as containers, for obvious reasons. IMO, the big difference is that, with bittorrent, it's possible to very inexpensively add lots of semi-r…

Nobody is going to accept worrying about whether the torrent has enough people seeding in the middle of a CI run. And your usual torrent download is an explicit action with an explicit client, how are people going to seed these images and why would they? And what about the long tail?

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Hmm. > GitHub's Container Registry offers free storage for public images. But for how long?

Unlike Docker Inc, GitHub (via Microsoft) do have very deep pockets & their own entire cloud platform, so they can afford to do this forever if they choose. And their entire marketing strategy is built around free hosting for public data, so it'd take a major shift for this to disappear. Not to say it's impossible, but it seems like the best bet of the options available. Is it practical to set up a redirect in front…

> And their entire marketing strategy is built around free hosting for public data

    1. Embrace
    2. Extend       
it's bonkers when people innocently trust Microsoft to do the right thing

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Podman is great and is first class citizen on Fedora. It also integrates nicely with SystemD. My only gripe with it is not many developers provide podman configuration on their install pages like they do with docker compose

Tangent: Why is the misspelling "SystemD" so common, when it has always been "systemd"? I would understand "Systemd" or "SYSTEMD" or something, but why specifically this weird spelling?

I've always thought of it as in analogy to System V.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

I'd like to see something resembling the Linux model. In the case of Docker, a foundation built around a suite of open source tools that's contributed to by pledges from all the big companies that use the tool. Maybe that means podman has a reliable source of funds for maintenance and improvement. What I don't like is having these critical tools directly in the hands of a single for-profit corporation, at least where…

If we want that I feel like there should be a community buy out. Just so that they have something to return to investors. Just so that they have incentive to play nice and not Hudson-up the process. You shouldn't be able to build a critical piece of infrastructure and have nothing to show for it. Community buy-out should be a viable exit plan.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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I use podman and it works fine? Podman Desktop runs podman machine for me at startup. Containers set to restart automatically don’t restart across podman machine restarts but that hasn’t upset my workflow much (at all?). I just start containers as I need them.

I wonder if VSCode’s Remote Container stuff works with Podamn on windows. The Docker Desktop + VSCode + Remote Container Dev + the ESP-IDF tooling is the nicest way to do production ESP32 dev with multiple ESP-IDF version (and even without that is just much simpler to get up and running on Windows, despite the rube Goldberg machine-esque description of it)

I've been playing around with it recently on macos and Podman is still a bit hit or miss. It seems mostly to be around assumptions of permissions. I switched over to colima (which is specifically for macos) and have had next to no issues though. Hopefully podman is able to tick off those last few boxes and make it properly stable in this use case.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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> Start publishing images to GitHub And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans, move out to where? I am old enough to know the we can't trust BigTech and their unpredictable behaviors. Eventually we need to start a Codeberg like alternative using Prototype funds to be self reliant. 1: https://codeberg.org/ 2: https://prototypefund.de/

It should use DHT/BitTorrent. Organizations could share magnet links to the official images. OS projects have been doing it for years with ISOs.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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That's a self inflicted problem by docker hub squatting the root namespace, though.

Getting out of a self inflicted problem isn't so easy. They have spent a long time trying. For example, putting distribution in the CNCF, working with the OCI on specs (like the distribution spec), making it possible to use other registries while not breaking the workflows for existing folks, and even some cases of working with other registries (e.g., their MCR integration with Docker Hub that offloads some egress an…

It's a self inflicted problem they've doubled down on, though, and that self inflicted problem is also the reason for their success. If docker hub could be removed in a config, the value add of docker the company is significantly diminished. It's hard to feel sorry for a company who actively pursued lock-in, and didn't make any real attempts at avoiding it (you know what would help? A setting to not use docker hub, or to use a specific repo by default), and who have built an enormous company on a value add that is a monkey's paw, and they've known that all along.

edit: https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/10411 this is the change that would _actually_ solve the problem of docker squatting the root namespace, and they've decided against it because it would make dockerfiles less portable (or really, it would neuter docker.io's home as the default place images live)

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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> Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying Docker the company is crushing 2022-2023… record revenue and earnings

Of course, I can do a lot of record revenue and earnings selling five dollar bills for $4. I'm curious what a path to profit would look like...is this kind of squeeze the only way to get there?

You can’t have positive earnings like Docker if you sell 5 for 4
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