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Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by tyingq »

timcobb wrote: post #65
jon-wood wrote: post #13

Docker the tool has been a massive benefit to software development, every now and then I have a moan about the hassle of getting something bootstrapped to run on Docker, but it's still worlds better than the old ways of managing dependencies and making sure everyone on a project is aligned on what versions of things are installed. Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying, this is the latest in a long line…

> Unfortunately Docker the company appears to be dying Docker the company is crushing 2022-2023… record revenue and earnings

Of course, I can do a lot of record revenue and earnings selling five dollar bills for $4. I'm curious what a path to profit would look like...is this kind of squeeze the only way to get there?

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by raesene9 »

Image hosting at scale is an expensive business and Docker are not the only ones trying to manage the costs.

Kubernetes is currently in the process of changing the main repository for their images because, as I understand it, they're burning through their free GCP credits an an unsustainable rate.

Ideally Docker Hub would be an industry funded effort, but that would require co-operation and funding from the major tech. players, and I have a feeling that in an era of cost cutting, that might be harder to achieve than it was in the past.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by adolph »

Squatting and the effects of malware and poison images is my primary concern here.

One of the things the docker api has going for it is that it is hash based. Aside from the first time, it doesn’t seem far fetched for a docker api client to refuse or warn based on comparing the new download’s hash to the previous hash.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by macintux »

Sebb767 wrote: post #68
trey-jones wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for how long? applies very much to Github, and for all of their services, not just containers. The elephant in the room, hardly needs to be mentioned I would think (Microsoft). We are only a few years into that regime.

You can say a lot of bad stuff about Microsoft, but they are not known for randomly and suddenly killing of their services.

Serious question, though: how many services have they offered over the years that were free to anyone?

Free to existing Windows users, perhaps, but free to the world doesn’t seem like something Microsoft was historically in a position to offer, much less later kill.

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by justusw »

As long as we don’t share ownership in these platforms, nothing will ever truly belong to us. For Docker, the software, a Libre alternative is Podman. Instead of GitHub, use Codeberg, an open organization and service.

Now we need a Docker registry cooperative owned by everyone.

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Post by shaunn »

pimterry wrote: post #29
nottorp wrote: post #8

Hmm. > GitHub's Container Registry offers free storage for public images. But for how long?

Unlike Docker Inc, GitHub (via Microsoft) do have very deep pockets & their own entire cloud platform, so they can afford to do this forever if they choose. And their entire marketing strategy is built around free hosting for public data, so it'd take a major shift for this to disappear. Not to say it's impossible, but it seems like the best bet of the options available. Is it practical to set up a redirect in front…

I like where your head is at; I found this [1] and it makes a case that an attack vector may be created.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/67351972

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by miyuru »

koolba wrote: post #3

Can we just get the big three cloud players to make a new public repo? They’ve got oodles of bandwidth and storage, plus the advantage that a lot of access would be local to their private networks. Setup a non-profit, dedicate resources from each of them spendable as $X dollars of credits, and this problem is solved in a way that works for the real world. Not some federated mess that will never get off the ground.

aws already have one https://gallery.ecr.aws/

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Post by vladvasiliu »

aviramha wrote: post #66
pydry wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they potentially could have made a decent business out of it but they made a lot of bad business decisions. I find myself shaking my head at a lot of their technical decisions too. Podman seems to me to be a case study for how to do this right.

I am usually an early adopter but I keep coming back to Docker since Podman is still very rough around the edges, especially in terms of "non-direct" usage (aka other tools)

As someone who's been bitten by this, I'm not sure if it's an issue with podman itself as much as the tools which expect docker. It could be argued that podman is not a docker drop-in replacement, but I expect more and more tools to pick it up.

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

girvo wrote: post #64
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh that's completely different. They want you to host your photos with them because then you can never leave their platform.

Apple does a pretty bad job of it then, because I have a local copy of my entire photo library too on an external hard drive. It’s quite nice really, cloud storage plus a local copy. I guess it’s somewhat of a moat because switching to some other cloud provider or my own system will be more expensive?

obviously hn readers will know how to copy the photos to their own computer. most people won't and that's the point

Re: Docker is deleting Open Source organisations - what you need to know

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Post by [deleted] »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #31

> Start publishing images to GitHub And when GitHub starts similar shenanigans, move out to where? I am old enough to know the we can't trust BigTech and their unpredictable behaviors. Eventually we need to start a Codeberg like alternative using Prototype funds to be self reliant. 1: https://codeberg.org/ 2: https://prototypefund.de/

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