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Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by raverbashing »

intrasight wrote: post #28

> The unacknowledged Apple Car (the “Titan” project), Augmented Reality (AR) devices, and forays into the healthcare market, none of which is a feasible candidate So wrong. PDAs were replaced by smartphones. Smartphones will be replaced by AR glasses. It is the next big thing hardware-wise. Many new services will be built upon glasses and watches, and many will be health related. You'll still buy a phone - it'll have…

Doubt. Strong doubt

As much as people are glued to their devices, looking away is still a thing

Nobody will want ads or distractions in their field of view (maaybe in very exceptional circumstances but even then)

It will probably also be illegal to drive using an AR device.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by tatersolid »

anotherOneSound wrote: post #168
gnicholas wrote: post #31

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Their new weather forecasting service is also intriguing. They will soon have millions of thermometer-equipped Apple Watches in the world (IIRC the Series 8 and AWU will have these), allowing them to create an incredibly detailed mapping of temperatures around the world (or at least places where people can afford expensive watches...).

there is a lot of money [1] in harvesting location data from weather apps. apple wants that revenue [1] https://themarkup.org/privacy/2021/09/30/theres-a-multibilli...

Apple doesn’t need a weather app to obtain location data from users. If they were going to track and sell location data they would just do it invisibly through iOS itself. This (and other tracking opportunities) is the reason Google gives Android away for “free”.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by lm28469 »

CodeSgt wrote: post #104
lm28469 wrote: post #92

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> dealing with carriers has been hell since the beginning. Are you American by any chance ? This has been solves in other places through regulations

No it hasn't. There wasn't a specific grevience listed so you really dont know if European regulations have solved it or not. I'm an American but have spent years living in Europe and dealing with carriers there has its own frustrations. These sorts of comments are common but always strike me as having been made by someone with little to no real world experience on the specific issue being discussed.

> with little to no real world experience on the specific issue being discussed.

I lived in France and now I'm in Germany, still using my French sim card, for no additional cost. I can change carriers whenever I want with no delay and transfer my number to the new carrier, all of that for much cheaper than what was available in the US when I was living there.

No contract, no hidden fees, no loops to jump through to cancel a subscription, it just works. I really don't see what one more monopoly would solve.

Feel free to publish your list of grievances, I suspect they're extremely out of the ordinary

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by ComplexSystems »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #48

> Nonetheless, I still want to see an Apple Car and see the company’s still working on that bet as a potential head against incrementalism. Perhaps me meant a "hedge" against incrementalism. Am I the only one that does not want to see an Apple car? We already have Tesla, I would rather see more inexpensive (electric, I assume) cars.

I would be much happier with something like an Apple Surface.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by pjerem »

solarkraft wrote: post #181
pjerem wrote: post #29

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It never happened in a decade of App Store. Why would it happen with an ad network?

Never happened? Every search I can think of had an ad covering half or more of my screen (full with the keyboard still enabled). Mostly of terrible low-quality apps you'd rather expect on the Microsoft store too. There's a whole tab for "curated" content. The whole App Store is one big "ew" experience. It's what you'd expect from other companies . ... and the rest of iOS already shows similar elements. Setting up an…

Ah, sorry, you missed my point : I was not talking about ads but about the lack of competition for application distribution.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

traceroute66 wrote: post #5

Honestly, for anyone who watches Apple close enough, this isn't news. Its clear Apple are heading down the disruptive disintermediation route. Look at the Air Tag. Effectively killing off competitors by making use of the global network of Apple devices. Look at their recent BNPL (buy now, pay later) announcement for example. Managing the whole caboodle, including the finance itself, entirely internally. Or look at th…

> Look at their recent BNPL (buy now, pay later) announcement for example. Managing the whole caboodle, including the finance itself, entirely internally.

Isn't that just tax evasion and/or "investment" in a time with negative interest ?

> Or look at the fact they still haven't rolled out Apple card internationally. My uninformed guess is that it is more to do with "something's brewing" rather than the US cards not working.

Banking and credit card operations are some of the most regulated businesses in the world, and financial authorities have different requirements from country to country, which would make it prohibitively expensive to roll out on a global scale.

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Post by nottorp »

gfodor wrote: post #232
nottorp wrote: post #83

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I was hoping that will happen with the apple watch, but so far it just brings the notification spam to your wrist and does fitness/health monitoring if you care about that. What will the AR glasses do, bring the notifications that I have turned off anyway in my face?

My personal hypothesis is they're going to lean in to perceptual enhancement. Passthrough AR will allow them to basically apply arbitrary correction and filtering to your vision, so in conjunction with their expertise on photo processing and general AR tech I think the idea will be that wearing these will make everything around you just look and feel better.

Hey I have an idea. Get everyone to wear AR glasses that filter your vision. Then have thieves pay hackers to make them invisible to eye witnesses.

The holdouts who refuse to wear the glasses slowly meet with ... unfortunate accidents. One by one. Until there's no one left who sees the world as it is.

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Post by MisterTea »

gnicholas wrote: post #237
MisterTea wrote: post #130

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> I wonder if they could use the ambient light sensor to determine if the person is inside or outside Maybe they are they next to a window or under a sky light. > or if they could use location data to figure out that 'this Apple Watch is in the middle of a large field, so he must be outside'. Could be in a tent or other temporary structure.

Yep, there will always be exceptions. But taking the median of a decently-filtered set could work. And Apple obviously has a team of folks working on this to come up with something smarter than some random HNer (me) who's just shooting from the hip).

> And Apple obviously has a team of folks working on this to come up with something smarter than some random HNer (me) who's just shooting from the hip).

Don't talk like that, its a self defeating mindset. You are likely as competent as most Apple engineers (the 10x benefit from less inhibitions and tons of energy.

The people working at apple are like most of us here, curious and driven. Apple has a lot of money to throw at people who bring in experience whereas you and I are individuals who do not work in the field of "figuring out where things are using computers." So we obviously are not experts in the field and not familiar with existing and emerging solutions for the problem.

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Post by skyo »

awinder wrote: post #219
Larrikin wrote: post #147

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As an Android user, it used to be a fun party trick at the bar, to show everyone the alert on my phone from dark sky that it was going to start raining in X minutes or that it was going to stop raining in Y minutes and then everyone checking later and it being basically down to the second accurate. As a former paid user of Dark Sky that lost that information when Apple bought them I feel no sympathy for iOS users tha…

The integration of dark sky was definitely rocky but apple is running dark sky as a data api now, this android app is apparently using it as it’s weather data source now: https://www.boondogglelabs.com/projects/forecaster.html

The Dark Sky API is getting shut down in a few months: https://blog.darksky.net/

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by jliptzin »

yunwal wrote: post #241
jliptzin wrote: post #142

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Those are all improvements to their main product lines. I’m talking about apple car or credit cards or whatever else they’re going to do. If people at apple want to build a car they should form a new company to do it. I don’t want my phone, computer, car, and credit card all issued by the same company.

The iPod wasn't a main product when it was introduced. Honestly, if Apple wants to make a car, I'm all for it. What I don't like is that they seem to be ditching their hardware innovation in favor of SAAS like all the other tech companies. It's lazy and all with the hopes of surrounding you with marketing.

The problem for me is even if they release a car way better than anything else out there I’m not going to buy it, I don’t want to be so dependent on one company.
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