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Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by mynameisvlad »

stale2002 wrote: post #182
mynameisvlad wrote: post #177

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How, exactly? Apple One is a subscription like any other. People can choose to get it or not.

Through the process of using dominant market power, to anti-competitively harm competitors in various industries. The most common one, that is in the news, is the App Store situation, where literal laws are being passed to ban Apple's behavior. But it also applies to other parts of their business, such as ads. There could be a push to pass laws to make Apple's behavior illegal in those spaces as well.

This comment thread- and in fact this entire post- is about services, and milking users via services.

While certainly true, I don't see how any of that is relevant in the context of this thread.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by gfodor »

nottorp wrote: post #83
Wherecombinator wrote: post #18

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I think the same. When they do AR I believe they’ll do it much better than anyone else. They’ll be some really cool feature that will make people flock to it, like apps on the iPhone.

I was hoping that will happen with the apple watch, but so far it just brings the notification spam to your wrist and does fitness/health monitoring if you care about that. What will the AR glasses do, bring the notifications that I have turned off anyway in my face?

My personal hypothesis is they're going to lean in to perceptual enhancement. Passthrough AR will allow them to basically apply arbitrary correction and filtering to your vision, so in conjunction with their expertise on photo processing and general AR tech I think the idea will be that wearing these will make everything around you just look and feel better.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by randomdata »

kennend3 wrote: post #131
traceroute66 wrote: post #19

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> why do you call it disintermediation? Because Apple want to control the quality of the user experience. Right now Apple Hardware and Apple Software are tightly interlinked. Apple can do things in software because they design 100% of the hardware, and vice-versa. There's a lot of stuff Apple do in terms of quality of experience that's only possible because of that tight integration. Stuff that would be impossible to…

> Because Apple want to control the quality of the user experience. you nailed it.. they are concerned about the "quality of the user experience" and not the billions of dollars at stake? Is this why Apple artificially limits which machines can be updated to MacOS as well, to ensure the quality of the user experience and not to drive sales?

They aren't mutually exclusive. Quality of the user experience is what people will pay for.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by xani_ »

gnicholas wrote: post #31
traceroute66 wrote: post #5

Honestly, for anyone who watches Apple close enough, this isn't news. Its clear Apple are heading down the disruptive disintermediation route. Look at the Air Tag. Effectively killing off competitors by making use of the global network of Apple devices. Look at their recent BNPL (buy now, pay later) announcement for example. Managing the whole caboodle, including the finance itself, entirely internally. Or look at th…

Their new weather forecasting service is also intriguing. They will soon have millions of thermometer-equipped Apple Watches in the world (IIRC the Series 8 and AWU will have these), allowing them to create an incredibly detailed mapping of temperatures around the world (or at least places where people can afford expensive watches...).

And, well, are ouside at the time. Also need to consider location of the watch, easy to heat it just by sun (in summer) or by wearing long sleeves (when it's colder)

Air pressure on the other hand...

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by xani_ »

verisimilitude wrote: post #94
robszumski wrote: post #68

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I'm not sure what happened but Dark Sky went from awesome to awful in recent months after the Apple acquisition. Is it just me? Going from "no rain all day" to actively raining with a huge storm 2 hours later. The app does update with this info, but very close to the actual storm.

I too have noticed this. I believe the Dark Sky website and app will continue to become less accurate... I think the explanation is (somebody who knows more please correct me): Dark Sky's technology was acquired by Apple and integrated into the Apple Weather built-in app... and the decision was made that any improvements/updates/maintenance on the Dark Sky service itself are accessible exclusively through that Apple…

Well, there is a red banner on the site saying

> Support for the Dark Sky iOS app will end on December 31st, 2022, and support for the Dark Sky API will end on March 31st, 2023.

So basically them buying then closing the service to make their own seem better

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by caned »

turndown wrote: post #41
traceroute66 wrote: post #19

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> why do you call it disintermediation? Because Apple want to control the quality of the user experience. Right now Apple Hardware and Apple Software are tightly interlinked. Apple can do things in software because they design 100% of the hardware, and vice-versa. There's a lot of stuff Apple do in terms of quality of experience that's only possible because of that tight integration. Stuff that would be impossible to…

As I sit here on an iPad Pro that refused to correctly highlight and copy a piece of your post so I could directly reply to it, I just want you to know that nobody views the whole “Apple can do unique things because they own the hardware/software stack” in a positive light. Apple is very bad at software and I will always stand by that… it is very sad that such nice pieces of hardware are married to some of the worst…

Subjective, but I'll second this as an Apple user - at least for iOS devices. I mostly like the design, but I'm appalled at how glitchy the interface controls are, for one. And it has been consistently so for years.

Don't even get me started on the Apple TV. I've never been able to reliably use the remote (physical or app).

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by gnicholas »

MisterTea wrote: post #130
gnicholas wrote: post #89

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Good point! During times when AC or heat is running a lot, there might be a bimodal distribution of reported temperatures. I wonder if they could use the ambient light sensor to determine if the person is inside or outside, or if they could use location data to figure out that 'this Apple Watch is in the middle of a large field, so he must be outside'. Then they could just ignore other data in that microclimate area,…

> I wonder if they could use the ambient light sensor to determine if the person is inside or outside Maybe they are they next to a window or under a sky light. > or if they could use location data to figure out that 'this Apple Watch is in the middle of a large field, so he must be outside'. Could be in a tent or other temporary structure.

Yep, there will always be exceptions. But taking the median of a decently-filtered set could work. And Apple obviously has a team of folks working on this to come up with something smarter than some random HNer (me) who's just shooting from the hip).

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by brewdad »

AnonHP wrote: post #198
oezi wrote: post #126

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As a Android user who is lured by the appeal of the Apple Watch and the long update availability, I have recently found that the wall of the garden has gotten so high that it is harder to get in than thought: - there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS - there is no way to synchronize Opera bookmarks from Android to iOS - SwiftKey keyboard can't sync my Android settings to iOS I mi…

> there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS Talking only about iOS and Signal here. What you describe is entirely Signal’s decision not to allow backups and restores (on iOS Signal made an explicit decision not to allow any sort of backup and restore). Signal only allows transfer of chats from one iOS device to another when both devices are in close proximity. If Signal wanted to,…

Mine is an anecdote of one but I was quite annoyed to learn that I couldn't migrate my Signal messages from my old Android to iOS when I switched 1.5 years ago. That annoyance lasted about a month until I realized that I never had need for those old messages anyway. I can't say I ever really missed them once they were gone.

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by brewdad »

gnicholas wrote: post #112
superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

I understand airtagging a dog, but how do you fit one in your wallet? Are you worried about misplacing it in your home, leaving it behind somewhere else, or theft? I like airtags and use them myself, but never considered using it with a wallet.

You can carry an AirTag or a condom. Choose your own adventure. ;-)

Re: Apple’s next big thing: A business model change

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Post by 9gagceo »

oezi wrote: post #126
superdug wrote: post #91

Am I a realist on Apple Apologist? My primary credit card is an apple card, primary dev machine is a mbp, primary work machine iPad, phone iPhone, watch Apple, and I have air tags attached to my dogs and wallet. In this ecosystem, I can reference _ANY_ of my screens for necessary and current relevant information whether it be curated or automated without breaking a glance to whatever primary device the content came f…

As a Android user who is lured by the appeal of the Apple Watch and the long update availability, I have recently found that the wall of the garden has gotten so high that it is harder to get in than thought: - there is no way to migrate messages from Signal messenger from Android to iOS - there is no way to synchronize Opera bookmarks from Android to iOS - SwiftKey keyboard can't sync my Android settings to iOS I mi…

FWIW WhatsApp didn't have Android -> iOS migration for the longest time, but was introduced earlier this year
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