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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by taylodl »

rasz wrote: post #210
taylodl wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who now uses Vivaldi as their daily driver I can vouch that it's a bit slow, especially on older hardware. Obviously it's not intolerable, but it would be nice to see some improvements in that area.

If you ever get curious how can UI be so slow, after all "its just js, js is fast", here is how they handle closing browser Tabs currently: https://www.reddit.com/r/vivaldibrowser/comments/nrasof/fix_... tldr: Tab bar is just a DIV full of SPANs, one SPAN per Tab. Pages are in a list of DIVs containing iframes. Switching a Tab is a simple process of moving "active" class from one SPAN to another and changing style of…

That's AWFUL! But it does explain things...

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by arendtio »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #176
awful_waffle wrote: post #164

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This honestly sounds like a great idea. At this point I'd pay money for a browser that was private, fast, and dev-friendly, simply to avoid the moral dilemma of switching from FF to a Chrome clone.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

My biggest issue is, running it with a 4k resolution on Windows seems to be considerably slower than Chrome (Intel graphics). With a full-hd resolution I didn't notice the difference and on a different PC running Linux I don't have any performance issues either.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by drdavid »

oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

The Vivaldi mail thing must have been in the works for a while. Since very early on, they offered an email address at their .net domain. It wasn't integrated or an email client, but they had that aspect setup early on.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by swiley »

_0w8t wrote: post #247
merlinscholz wrote: post #223

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https://login.vivaldi.net/profile/id/signup Last line on the page: "Before using Vivaldi Webmail and the blogging platform, we’ll ask you to verify your phone number. That’s it."

It is otherwise impossible for a small company to provide free email.

What you mean is free email that (supposedly) delivers to hotmail? I could pass out email addresses to everyone on my floor and it wouldn't cost me a dime.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by Aa9C4xPz43Gg7k6 »

ols wrote: post #234
bookofsand wrote: post #216

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paid => ads => free. How is a 'free browser' supposed to pay its developers?

They licensed the browser for devices like set-top boxes and similar devices. There was also money coming from Google (for using it as a default search engine). I guess they had also some business model built around Opera Mini and relations with mobile providers.

Did you say that desktop should be subsidized by non-desktop browsers?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by siproprio »

rasz wrote: post #243
siproprio wrote: post #235

I just can't stand the vivaldi UI. It's just too slow. Especially everything tabs feels awful. From new tab, to drag-and-drop.

Firefox: https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_b4JWi49tKJUfE8oOvx... Opera: https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_Rn6fiEoSZpDpNfvzIj... Vivaldi: https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_1KXF2VcFzD3BIAFVIJ...

Yep.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by zamadatix »

yunohn wrote: post #181
zamadatix wrote: post #154

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There were a couple years recently Firefox was primarily sponsored by either Yahoo or Bing (can't remember which) and that deal supported the entire Mozilla foundation same as the Google deal as well as Firefox (which also makes their own browser back end) not just a browser front-end dev team. So there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more fo…

These deals are based on market share, user activity and usage, and so on. No search engine is paying Vivaldi as much money as Yahoo or Google did to Firefox. It would be laughable to expect that kind of sponsor money for a niche browser that also reduces ad tracking. That’s how these things work.

It'd be laughable to expect Vivaldi needs the exact same 600 million dollar search deal that floats the entire Mozilla foundation to fund a custom Chromium UI.

As I said, there are definitely other decent sources of income besides Google for these deals and since it's a significantly more focused organization it doesn't seem implausible to me.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by dvdkon »

jamespo wrote: post #185
CaptainZapp wrote: post #176

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What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

There are salty power users of the old insecure XUL based plugins who can't let their deprecation go.

I'm salty because WebExtensions still can't do something as seemingly simple as bind global keybindings years after the transition. I actually supported the switch, but back then I was optimistic about missing features being added soon.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by everybodyknows »

e3bc54b2 wrote: post #198
kitd wrote: post #86

I use Vivaldi regularly for one reason: my company has disabled access to the developer tools on Chrome and FF. With Vivaldi (being Chromium) I have full access again! Just don't tell them I told you ...

My company does this too. Try installing Firefox in a nonstandard location, that fixed it for me. Now I enjoy regex search, unlock origin and tampermonkey and have little more peace of mind.

>regex search

Meaning search over within browser window i.e. “Find in Page”?

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by siproprio »

rasz wrote: post #210
taylodl wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who now uses Vivaldi as their daily driver I can vouch that it's a bit slow, especially on older hardware. Obviously it's not intolerable, but it would be nice to see some improvements in that area.

If you ever get curious how can UI be so slow, after all "its just js, js is fast", here is how they handle closing browser Tabs currently: https://www.reddit.com/r/vivaldibrowser/comments/nrasof/fix_... tldr: Tab bar is just a DIV full of SPANs, one SPAN per Tab. Pages are in a list of DIVs containing iframes. Switching a Tab is a simple process of moving "active" class from one SPAN to another and changing style of…

I always thought they're slow because of JavaScript, but not because of crappy code!

That actually explains a lot.

It would be interesting to know if they lose a lot of users because of slowness, but since it hasn't been fixed, I guess they don't?

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