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Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by cpeterso »

awful_waffle wrote: post #184
CaptainZapp wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Firefox? It's an honest question, since as a user I really love it. Is it the 'dev-friendly', which Firefox lacks?

FF is my daily driver (since Quantum in '17) but I've found it really just isn't holding up these days: • Profiling functions between Chrome/FF reveals that Chrome is frequently considerably faster (usually 60%+) • During WebGL work I'll often hit blue screens around memory management (this seems to be a relatively recent development) • Similarly, trying to profile a WebRTC application with video feeds will consisten…

If WebGL and WebRTC are causing bluescreens, that is probably a GPU driver bug (though I realize that users don't care whose fault a crash is). If you have steps to reproduce, even if not 100% reliable, you can file a Firefox bug in Bugzilla. Mozilla has contacts at Microsoft and can pass along the bug.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by jjjdjjddddsfsd »

keithnz wrote: post #190
apocolyps6 wrote: post #188

I really want to like Vivaldi. It's the only browser (afaik) that supports tabs on the side. Right now I use "Tree Style Tabs" on Firefox with some custom CSS to get rid of the original tab bar. Unfortunately I get a massive delay when fullscreening youtube videos in Vivaldi. The video first maximizes to the left half of my screen, and only then expands to the whole thing. Sadly a dealbreaker. FWIW its a little faste…

edge supports vertical tabs

I switched from Vivaldi to Edge because unfortunately Vivaldi become unusably slow for me beyond a certain amount of open tabs (hopefully just a bug they'll fix eventually).

I miss the little search bar for tabs that Vivaldi shows in the vertical tabs view.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by vitorsr »

keithnz wrote: post #190
apocolyps6 wrote: post #188

I really want to like Vivaldi. It's the only browser (afaik) that supports tabs on the side. Right now I use "Tree Style Tabs" on Firefox with some custom CSS to get rid of the original tab bar. Unfortunately I get a massive delay when fullscreening youtube videos in Vivaldi. The video first maximizes to the left half of my screen, and only then expands to the whole thing. Sadly a dealbreaker. FWIW its a little faste…

edge supports vertical tabs

To complement:

Since as early as October 2020 on testing [1] and as early as January 2021 on stable [2].

[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/articles/vertical-tab...

[2] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-r...

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by kmonsen »

kordlessagain wrote: post #189
55555 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a browser probably 12 hours per day. Maybe there's enough people willing to pay a dollar or two a month for that to be a possible business model again.

If it had a decent search agent in it, without ads, I'd pay for it. Because, let's be honest, advertising sucks and anyone that thinks advertising and search belong together sucks even more.

This is what neeva tries to do, it’s currently free in beta.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by leokennis »

crummy wrote: post #31
whikhngbu359 wrote: post #15

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I believe Opera was the first browsers to introduce tabs.

It also had mouse gestures, right click drag left to go back, right click... swirl? to reload... felt like I was casting spells!

I was an avid Opera user around 2004. True MDI interface, mouse gestures...come to think of it, that was the peak of my web browsing.

Sure, my current browser supports the latest web standards that enable great things and sure, my internet speed is a lot higher. But just from a "browsing the web" perspective, Opera was the high point.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by httpsterio »

grishka wrote: post #128
httpsterio wrote: post #123

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Flash was not an essential part of the web in 2012. Maybe, if you had some weird work tool you had to use, some video players on the web but that was mostly it. In 2012 flash for Android was killed and it was very well known that it was going out of the window in the near future.

Many video players were still using flash. VKontakte still had its flash app/game platform going strong, though you did have the option of using an iframe that loaded a web app from your server instead. Flash support was only discontinued there around several years ago.

I personally remember being rather annoyed when our uni project in 2012 had to be built with Flash and AS3 as it was well known that flash would get the axe in a few years.

We had the option to use JS as well but it wasn't in the curriculum and 4 out my 5 person team didn't want to do any of the extra work.

Even if Flash was used, it was mostly video players and some online games (like Newgrounds). I think YouTube came out with their HTML5 player in 2012 so Flash was definitely moving into a more niche status and I don't consider it essential after Flash based sites went out of fashion (which was closer to 2008-2009. HTML5, ECMA5 and CSS3 (or just HTML, JS and CSS as it's known today) largely made flash redundant before 2012.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by leokennis »

marban wrote: post #46
oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Not to forget Opera Mini which did server-side rendering for mobiles. Results were WAP-like quality and mostly sucked (by nature of device's capabilities back then).

Disagree. In 2007 I used a Nokia 6300 (https://i.imgur.com/5ezXN1R.png) and I had an unlimited data plan for €10/month (because, who was going to use a lot of data on 2G on a small feature phone?).

I used to smoothly browse the web on it using Opera Mini. It had a simulated mouse and rendered most stuff excellently.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by e3bc54b2 »

kitd wrote: post #86

I use Vivaldi regularly for one reason: my company has disabled access to the developer tools on Chrome and FF. With Vivaldi (being Chromium) I have full access again! Just don't tell them I told you ...

My company does this too. Try installing Firefox in a nonstandard location, that fixed it for me. Now I enjoy regex search, unlock origin and tampermonkey and have little more peace of mind.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by JohnWhigham »

oblio wrote: post #3

Vivaldi Mail? That took a while :-D Vivaldi is developed by a team created by the former Opera founder and CEO. Vivaldi kind of tries to re-create the spirit of Opera, but I think it's going to be too hard to do it. For those who didn't use it, Opera was first a paid browser (which limited its reach), then an ad-supported browser (which again limited its reach). It then finally became a free browser but by then it wa…

Forgot to mention that China owns them, so say goodbye to data privacy.

Re: Vivaldi 4.0

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Post by timwis »

Doesn't backing a chromium-based browser like Vivaldi or Brave push the industry further toward browser monopoly? (or at least in the rendering engine sense, as we once had with IE)
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