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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Intel is on my shitlist now for their new "Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity" with Microsoft and Adobe. I don't care how fast their CPUs are, they are dead to me.

Maybe I'm missing it, but Intel doesn't seem to be listed among the members? https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members I agree that the project sounds like garbage.

What's wrong being able to sign a document?

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That is the most succinct and business-minded summary in the entire thread. Relatedly, I am surprised by the commenters who believe that the trends in Intel pricing were somehow involuntary. The outperformance of AMD CPUs was clear even prior to the pandemic, and I recall talk at that time about Intel using price pressure to resist AMD's expansion of market share and gross margins. Now that silicon supply is getting…

> somehow involuntary Given the choice, Intel would rather resist AMD's expansion of market share and gross margins without lowering their prices.

An involuntary price change would be one in which Intel is following a price set by AMD. Think about price takers and price makers.

In this case Intel is undercutting AMD and setting a low price that forces AMD to keep its own pricing lower. This is disadvantageous for AMD because its ability to satisfy spikes in demand is capped; additional orders for unexpected demand have to flow through the TSMC pipeline, which is also used by many other companies. In contrast, Intel can meet demand because it owns its production processes; Intel churns out more product and absorbs the unexpected demand. Per-unit margin matters less for Intel because its share of the unexpected/marginal demand is high.

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There is no shortage on dedicated low end GPUs.

There is in the Netherlands it seems. The only one available AMD one is a RX 580 for €669, the only available Nvidia one is a €109 GT 1030. The GT 710 cards seem like a huge downgrade in terms of display options compared to my laptop’s integrated graphics.

Where did you look? RX 550 seems to be readily available

https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&v=l&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=...

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Honestly everything you say sounds like abusive insanity and not anywhere I'd want to live. I hope you don't make any decisions for other people in any capacity ever because you lack fundamental respect for other people's choices.

Having to pass a test so you can function in society is not taking away any choices. What choice would it take away?

The choice anyone else makes to change society to be what they want. Or would they have to lie and take your test to make changes? Only go through your change process?

You have this idea that society is a monolith you can keep people in and out of based on the results of an algorthm, and that's only true for the most authoritarian and oppressive regimes.

That's the world you're trying to create. Social Credit scores as maintained by facebook, etc.

It's truly repulsive.

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Having to pass a test so you can function in society is not taking away any choices. What choice would it take away?

The choice anyone else makes to change society to be what they want. Or would they have to lie and take your test to make changes? Only go through your change process? You have this idea that society is a monolith you can keep people in and out of based on the results of an algorthm, and that's only true for the most authoritarian and oppressive regimes. That's the world you're trying to create. Social Credit scores…

What are you a talking about. A test does not impact the choice anyone has to change society how they want it to be. You are imagining things I have never even hinted at.

Almost everyone get's swimming lessons and tests. And yet, and this might really blow your mind, you can still actually go swimming without actually having had passed the test. No SWAT team will barge down your door and take you away if you go swimming.

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Do you have any proof or even hint for your suggestions or is this just a doom 'n gloom mixed with "they are out to get you" paranoid trope of the week?

Do you think the mass deplatforming of "wrong thinkers" - which we have been seeing a shocking amount lately - is going to be harder, the same, or less difficult with something like the CCPA tracking literally everything you are doing?

When I was first on the internet, there were about 16 million people using it. Now there are allegedly around 5 billion. Roughly 260 million people got connected in the last 6 months or so. How many does it take to be a shocking mass?

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There is in the Netherlands it seems. The only one available AMD one is a RX 580 for €669, the only available Nvidia one is a €109 GT 1030. The GT 710 cards seem like a huge downgrade in terms of display options compared to my laptop’s integrated graphics.

Where did you look? RX 550 seems to be readily available https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&v=l&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=...

Like I said, in the Netherlands. I looked at a couple of the biggest stores and looked at what was available to be picked up or sent over right away. I did recheck and found one single store that sells a RX 550 for €95. Look (warning illegal cookie wall): https://tweakers.net/videokaarten/vergelijken/#filter:q1ZKSc...

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The choice anyone else makes to change society to be what they want. Or would they have to lie and take your test to make changes? Only go through your change process? You have this idea that society is a monolith you can keep people in and out of based on the results of an algorthm, and that's only true for the most authoritarian and oppressive regimes. That's the world you're trying to create. Social Credit scores…

What are you a talking about. A test does not impact the choice anyone has to change society how they want it to be. You are imagining things I have never even hinted at. Almost everyone get's swimming lessons and tests. And yet, and this might really blow your mind, you can still actually go swimming without actually having had passed the test. No SWAT team will barge down your door and take you away if you go swimm…

>A test does not impact the choice

Then whats the purpose of the test? Tests are scores used to determine something. You're talking about forcing people to take a test to do what, exactly? Or is it just to indoctrinate them with whatever the test-maker (because it will change every election) comes up with? A thing you must study for but with no reprecussions? Ya right.

Once you create a certification for it, it will become a private passport for access to goods or services, or it will be meaningless. In both cases its either a waste or evil.

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I am a very causal enthusiast but from my understanding there are many ways to skin a cat when it comes to process nodes hence with the company A 10nm vs company B 10nm are not equivalent. Intel somewhere along the line chose the wrong set of solutions to achieve their 10nm process. IMO these mistakes will not necessarily mean that some other node will be inherently disadvantaged other than the fact that they may now…

This far along into the crisis, it feels to me like it's clear that any technical issues are incidental. It seems like there are such dire internal cultural/management issues that will make it impossible to fix the technical ones in any acceptable timeframe.

Absolutely this. The technical issues exist because management made really bad decisions without having any sort of a backup plan.

Complicating it further, Intel made the same mistake over and over again-- they've been trying to get things back on track since roughly Sandy Bridge and have replaced their head designer every chip since that point when things didn't go well. Instead of fixing their design, they throw it out and start completely over. Again. and. Again.

It would require a miracle at the top to fix their decision process.

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What are you a talking about. A test does not impact the choice anyone has to change society how they want it to be. You are imagining things I have never even hinted at. Almost everyone get's swimming lessons and tests. And yet, and this might really blow your mind, you can still actually go swimming without actually having had passed the test. No SWAT team will barge down your door and take you away if you go swimm…

>A test does not impact the choice Then whats the purpose of the test? Tests are scores used to determine something. You're talking about forcing people to take a test to do what, exactly? Or is it just to indoctrinate them with whatever the test-maker (because it will change every election) comes up with? A thing you must study for but with no reprecussions? Ya right. Once you create a certification for it, it will…

With a mandatory test also come mandatory lessons. If you don't pass you have to keep taking the lessons. The lessons will lead to the population having better skills. Seriously I had hoped swimming lessons analogy would make you understand. What is the purpose of swimming lessons and test? Is that done to indoctrinate people that they should not drown? Is having passed a swimming test a private passport for access to goods and services? Get real...

I'm not sure why you keep going down this dark path which I didn't even touch on remotely. You just completely imagine it.

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