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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by totalZero »

Drew_ wrote: post #133
rglullis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

AMD is beating Intel on performance, but with recent price cuts, Intel is offering VERY good value right now and also much better availability. If you don't need the absolute best, Intel is the way to go easily.

That is the most succinct and business-minded summary in the entire thread.

Relatedly, I am surprised by the commenters who believe that the trends in Intel pricing were somehow involuntary. The outperformance of AMD CPUs was clear even prior to the pandemic, and I recall talk at that time about Intel using price pressure to resist AMD's expansion of market share and gross margins. Now that silicon supply is getting tight, market share is all the more relevant because whatever demand AMD can't meet gets caught by Intel. It's not all about benchmarks (although IMO Intel is hanging in there with Rocket Lake). You actually have to get a customer to buy your product in order to generate revenue.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by totalZero »

walrus01 wrote: post #63

I see nothing in this review that would make me choose the Intel part over a Ryzen 5800X.

...Which is weird, because there are other reviews that say the opposite based on a small handful of benchmarks. I'm not sure what conclusions to draw.

https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-core-i7-11700k-may-outp...

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by killingtime74 »

chronogram wrote: post #167
guardiangod wrote: post #5

i7-10700K to the i7-11700K Single thread floating point: +19.0% Multi-thread floating point: +19.5% Single thread integer: +13.0% Multi-thread integer: +7.3% Jesus. Just overclocking the RAM for the 10700k would give a similar performance increase. Along with 291W, this 10nm->14nm backport is not working out well for Intel. PS My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. I rushed to my l…

> My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. What happened? I’ve never seen a computer die during use.

Didn’t you see the video? It blew up

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by effie »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #81
walrus01 wrote: post #63

I see nothing in this review that would make me choose the Intel part over a Ryzen 5800X.

Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

> Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

What is the level of capabilities we can expect from this? How many simultaneous VMs can use the Intel GPU?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by encryptluks2 »

philliphaydon wrote: post #163
encryptluks2 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

Ah, 11700k is 8 core, like the 5800X??

Yep

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by effie »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #77
rektide wrote: post #16

I'm just flabbergasted that Intel has Thunderbolt support integrated into it's mobile chips, but on desktop it's business as usual, left to motherboard vendors to implement Thunderbolt themselves with the normal slew of add-on chips. Super frustrating that desktop users can't expect modern connectivity. It should be on the chip, like mobile. Notably, one can take any old TB4 cable, connect two modern Intel laptops, a…

Well USB-C/Thunderbolt rollout and HDMI 2 to laptops has been as glacial as ever. How is it that mobile phones get technology support two years before laptops and desktops?

Where is big money to be made, in laptops and desktops, or in overpriced phones?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by bflies »

guardiangod wrote: post #5

i7-10700K to the i7-11700K Single thread floating point: +19.0% Multi-thread floating point: +19.5% Single thread integer: +13.0% Multi-thread integer: +7.3% Jesus. Just overclocking the RAM for the 10700k would give a similar performance increase. Along with 291W, this 10nm->14nm backport is not working out well for Intel. PS My work desktop died on Wednesday afternoon during the SpaceX SN10 flight. I rushed to my l…

For better comprehensibility, some Geekbench 5 avgs & another layout:

         10700K  11700K
  single  1,321   1,767  +33%
  multi   8,821  10,474  +18%

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by jcelerier »

coding123 wrote: post #73

I think at this point we're just waiting for Windows and Linux to be fully supported on the M1 or for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port.

> for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port.

glances at the pile of ARM boards on his desk

don't care about windows but... linux ? ... you know that 99% of android devices are linux and run arm, right ? and that debian has been available for arm, for, what, 2.5 decades ? what do you think raspberry pi's run ?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by Hiopl »

Guthur wrote: post #50
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing very little about the subject... Is it plausible that they wouldn’t be able to get 10nm to work, but would be able to make 7nm work? Or put differently, would abandoning 10nm be tantamount to abandoning the effort to develop a smaller process?

I am a very causal enthusiast but from my understanding there are many ways to skin a cat when it comes to process nodes hence with the company A 10nm vs company B 10nm are not equivalent. Intel somewhere along the line chose the wrong set of solutions to achieve their 10nm process. IMO these mistakes will not necessarily mean that some other node will be inherently disadvantaged other than the fact that they may now…

This far along into the crisis, it feels to me like it's clear that any technical issues are incidental. It seems like there are such dire internal cultural/management issues that will make it impossible to fix the technical ones in any acceptable timeframe.

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Post by lrem »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #52
smt88 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media? Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?

I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…

So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?
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