Anyone have any idea when intel's 10nm will hit desktop? Are they making any progress at all? Are they just planning on skipping straight to 7 at this point?
Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
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#32> In order to bring its best single core performance to the desktop market, Intel had to redesign its 10nm product on 14nm, which combines the high throughput of the design with the high frequency of 14nm Is that just because they couldn't do it at 10nm? I thought the whole point of die shrinking was to get higher frequency, lower heat etc?
The article drops some hints that the 10nm parts aren't stable at desktop power levels. Normally process shrink -> reduced power -> more power budget -> higher frequency. The power savings gives you room to push frequency (and power) back up. But it's not working out for 10nm. They're more efficient than 14nm, but they can't spend the energy they're saving on performance.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you like to explain why for those of us out of the loop?
https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members Basically a large group of companies are forming a group to create an agreed upon fingerprinting system for 'content' (read: everything) to destroy privacy in the name of 'fighting disinformation'.
Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media?
Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good thing nobody actually uses AVX512
Interestingly enough, the AVX512 test was the easy win for Intel. Nobody uses it because it wasn't available and, when available, wasn't much faster overall. Now it is.
iirc wasn't until recently available in the HEDT line, but the user base is equipped with scalable xeon boxes not awfully constrained desktop chips.
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#36I'm just flabbergasted that Intel has Thunderbolt support integrated into it's mobile chips, but on desktop it's business as usual, left to motherboard vendors to implement Thunderbolt themselves with the normal slew of add-on chips. Super frustrating that desktop users can't expect modern connectivity. It should be on the chip, like mobile. Notably, one can take any old TB4 cable, connect two modern Intel laptops, a…
Intel still did not react properly to their new situation of being objectively worse than AMD. They lowered the prices a bit, that's all. Still trying to segment the market with locked processors, even introducing more limits on ram overclocking, and still refusing to honor warranty when enabling XMP. That's not a company that wants to compete, so I wouldn't expect big moves with regards to connectivity.
Locked processors shouldn't be a thing anymore, ECC should be supported, motherboard chipset segmentation stopped, and it would be nice if the new processors wouldn't be set to 300W energy usage. With the right price Intel's processors would have a chance then even though they are slower. But like this - who would want to buy this? You are right to be flabbergasted, they should do things like integrated thunderbolt support to better the situation.
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#37No ECC support means it's totally useless for workstation workloads.
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#38291W... whoa!
Yeah, that’s getting into space heater range. Edit: Temperature peaks on some workloads up to 100c. Jeez
we simply need a radiator or exchanger design to plug in to our domestic water supply at least I'll be very happy with either free compute or free hot water pov depending.
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#39RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.
Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch.
Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks.
Around end of 2018 I started working more in different offices, so I needed a more powerful laptop. No strong offering from AMD yet, so I ended up with a System76 core i7, 6-core 32GB RAM.
2020 came and with it I got back into working at home. So I got excited about upgrading my workstation. I bought all the components to get a Ryzen 5, a 3700X I think. What a shitshow: had to go through three different pairs of RAM to find one that was actually compatible with the motherboard. Then I had to find a way to upgrade the BIOS, and I could only do it by getting an Athlon CPU. BIOS upgraded, then the original 3700 died. I ended up turning the whole system into a very expensive media center just with the Athlon and continued working with the laptop.
A couple of weeks ago my laptop's battery puffed up, so I decided to go look again into a nice desktop. An 12-core Ryzen 5900X is coming out at 900€ and a basic motherboard is 300€. 10-core Intel i9-10900 is 300€ and a motherboard for it is 180€. Guess which one I ended up taking and that I managed to get running without any issue whatsoever?
Here is to hope that in 6-8 years from now I finally manage to make the switch to AMD.
(Edit: why the downvotes, HN? It's an honest account of my experience.)
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#40You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.
I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sunk cost fallacy on Intel's 10nm. They couldn't make it work effectively and it was so far behind that they bled out most of their process leadership. But rather than pivot and reset they've just kept hammering away at it. Of course the decision would not be trivial to make; the lead time for a new process node is significant.
Knowing very little about the subject...
Is it plausible that they wouldn’t be able to get 10nm to work, but would be able to make 7nm work? Or put differently, would abandoning 10nm be tantamount to abandoning the effort to develop a smaller process?