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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#21

> In order to bring its best single core performance to the desktop market, Intel had to redesign its 10nm product on 14nm, which combines the high throughput of the design with the high frequency of 14nm Is that just because they couldn't do it at 10nm? I thought the whole point of die shrinking was to get higher frequency, lower heat etc?

That is the purpose, but Intel's 10nm process is a cluster--k in terms of execution.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#22

Intel is on my shitlist now for their new "Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity" with Microsoft and Adobe. I don't care how fast their CPUs are, they are dead to me.

Would you like to explain why for those of us out of the loop?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#23

Intel is on my shitlist now for their new "Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity" with Microsoft and Adobe. I don't care how fast their CPUs are, they are dead to me.

Would you like to explain why for those of us out of the loop?

https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members

Basically a large group of companies are forming a group to create an agreed upon fingerprinting system for 'content' (read: everything) to destroy privacy in the name of 'fighting disinformation'.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#25

> In order to bring its best single core performance to the desktop market, Intel had to redesign its 10nm product on 14nm, which combines the high throughput of the design with the high frequency of 14nm Is that just because they couldn't do it at 10nm? I thought the whole point of die shrinking was to get higher frequency, lower heat etc?

My understanding is that they can't get things to work at 10nm at the high desktop frequencies they use at 14nm. I don't know if that's yield issues, instability, or what... probably a combination of those? My sense is that on laptop, the 10nm stuff is doing... okay.

It sure seems like the hope is to limp along on 14(+++++) for a while longer and leap straight to a kinks-worked-out 7?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#26
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RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.

>> land soon

Not soon but yesterday

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#28

You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.

I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sunk cost fallacy on Intel's 10nm. They couldn't make it work effectively and it was so far behind that they bled out most of their process leadership. But rather than pivot and reset they've just kept hammering away at it. Of course the decision would not be trivial to make; the lead time for a new process node is significant.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#29

You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.

can the situation be thought of as "Intel has problems with porting all their 14nm tweaks to 10nm" and therefore is it reasonable to expect Intel on 10nm nodes to pick up all the similar node advantages over again?
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