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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by rowanG077 »

lrem wrote: post #185
rowanG077 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Schooling, campaigns. A mandatory "driving" license for media consumption.

Ah, so a 50+ years campaign? Yup, that can work if you can have a government with enough attention span. Edit: don't get me wrong, _not_ doing that for children is evil. But, the results thus far do speak for themselves... And uncle Bob will not take being sent back to middle school all that well.

Not a 50+ years campaign, an infinitely long campaign. You know just like normal schooling is an infinitely long compaign.

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Post by sgift »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #85
lucb1e wrote: post #66

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Not sure why this is downvoted, the questions are constructive for the thread. To add a question: why is it bad if it's an optional component? Nobody's forcing you to disclose that you shot a certain picture, unless I'm misunderstanding the concept here.

The endgame is to be able to have your fingerprint in every device you own, and it is not going to be optional. So that no matter if you uploaded a photo from your phone, an ipad, your PC - they will know it was you. It's going to be embedded at every level of the stack, from a file - right down to the silicon (if Intel's involvement is any indication). They want to know every piece of content you create and distribu…

Do you have any proof or even hint for your suggestions or is this just a doom 'n gloom mixed with "they are out to get you" paranoid trope of the week?

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Post by yowlingcat »

smt88 wrote: post #34
LegitShady wrote: post #23

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https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members Basically a large group of companies are forming a group to create an agreed upon fingerprinting system for 'content' (read: everything) to destroy privacy in the name of 'fighting disinformation'.

Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media? Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?

> Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media?

They also fall for non-deepfaked media as well, and spearphishing, and so on. The greatest threat vector has always been the wetware.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by yowlingcat »

lrem wrote: post #180
rubyist5eva wrote: post #52

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I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…

So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?

You can't make uncle Bob any more media literate than he wants to become. So perhaps your energy might be better focused on being a good resource for helping his daughter/your niece become media literate. And then perhaps that may rub off on him via osmosis.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by yoz-y »

mentos wrote: post #192

Complete layman here. What prevents Intel from reverse engineering AMDs hard work and offering a fast follow rip off?

Among other things: intel has an internal fab that they do not want to let go. This makes them several generations behind on the process. Even copying AMD arch would not help.

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Post by sgift »

oarsinsync wrote: post #189
lrem wrote: post #180

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So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?

"Think of the elderly" appears to be the new "think of the children" when it comes to erasing privacy (and other freedoms) in the name of "security". I have definitely fallen victim to that one myself, and have pushed that argument when considering Apple's walled garden in iOS, and how much that has assisted me personally in not having to provide tech support for members of my family. Unfortunately, between these arg…

No one said uncle Bob is old. Maybe uncle Bob is your hip cousin who still has no idea how these things work and zero interest to learn it. IMO, the biggest failure of tech discussions is to ignore that technology is there to solve a problem people have. It's not an end, it's a means to an end. People want to know that the video they see which says "filmed in xy" was really filmed in xy and not manipulated afterwards. And saying "yeah, you can just do this yourself, all you have to do is use gpg, make your own signature, distribute it, .." completely misses the point.

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Post by rglullis »

oliwarner wrote: post #182
rglullis wrote: post #39

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Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

> why the downvotes, HN? Your honest account seems more like a series of errors you've invited on yourself. Your motherboard prices are insane. And this litany of spontaneously breaking components make you sound like you're just yeeting the stuff around. Maybe that's all unfair, but it's how it comes across. Now you're comparing the prices of the i9-10900 to the 5900X, when the 5800X's performance more than matches i…

> If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service

Like I actually did, I have been doing since I can't even remember to build previous workstations, NAS, the dappnode under my desk, and my home server that runs the services I self-host?

    - Ryzen upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dxx2nL
    - Intel upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rP8jCz
Looking around now, it seems that MSI X570 is available at a lower price, but it wasn't when I first checked.

So, yeah, bad timing. But this patronizing is unwarranted.

> The 5800X is about 10% cheaper than the 10900 here.

In Germany it's about 15% more expensive, and my calculation was based on price-per-core than absolute performance, not to mention that the 10900 has a 65W TDP vs 105W for the Ryzens.

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Post by rglullis »

cranium wrote: post #162
rglullis wrote: post #49

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It's a mini-ITX Gigabyte B450, the Aorus line. From what I found online, there were plenty of cases of incompatible RAM that would simply not boot. The "odd" thing is that this Intel system I put together ended up being the very same brand. I am regretting it now a bit because I realized that the board can only do 4k@30Hz through the HDMI port and the i9 can do 4k@60, but given that my laptop had a similar limitation…

The difference may be due to the version of the HDMI port: HDMI 1.4 can only do 4k@30Hz while HDMI 2.0 can do 4k@60Hz.

Yeah, that is exactly the problem. I'm wondering now if there is any way I can jerry-rig one of the USB 3.2 ports from the mobo to get 4k@60hz to my monitor, but like I said I am ok with staying at 1440 until prices of graphic cards come down.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by kortex »

smt88 wrote: post #126
rubyist5eva wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…

What if a journalist makes a video and wants everyone to know where it came from? If it's all opt-in (and otherwise anonymous), doesn't that solve the privacy issue? I'm definitely not advocating for the OP solution, which is why I asked if anyone knew of alternatives.

How do we know evidence is valid in a court case? Chain of custody and documentation. Add to that some commitment scheme and trusted time-stamping and publish in real time and you are most of the way there to extremely veridical publishing.

But the main problem is the people most vulnerable to fake media are already bamboozled by bad Photoshop jobs. I don't see how any signing scheme will help.

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