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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

toast0 wrote: post #130
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #74

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This is half- to full- snark: When they outsource to TSMC. At some point Intel will get their act together and only be one step behind rather than... christ, are they three steps behind? They just have way too much money. But it does look like with the management purges, re-hires of old guard, and other changes it'll be a while before they right ship. There's probably pride to overcome, since a lot of process choices…

> At some point Intel will get their act together and only be one step behind rather than... christ, are they three steps behind? They're not really three steps behind. At some point, node measurements became more useless as Intel and TSMC differ on what part of the thing they're measuring. Intel's 14 nm is roughly the same as TSMCs 10, and i10 ~= t7, i7 ~= t5. TSMC is shipping their 5nm chips, and intel is halfway s…

Agreed on the process measurements, and so you're technically (the best kind!) right, and I remember the days when Intel was on "nm" parity with other fabs and their stuff was better at TDP and other things. But then...

With the code of processes and half-nodes / node+ tiers which easily cost as much as full node shrinks before, well, financially it may be three steps.

Plus the fact you don't chase what's in the marketplace if you're behind, you have to chase where the ball is rolling to.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

smt88 wrote: post #126
rubyist5eva wrote: post #52

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I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…

What if a journalist makes a video and wants everyone to know where it came from? If it's all opt-in (and otherwise anonymous), doesn't that solve the privacy issue? I'm definitely not advocating for the OP solution, which is why I asked if anyone knew of alternatives.

The Journalism Industry has solved the "trust" problem decades ago. This isn't the problem the CCPA is trying to solve.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

lrem wrote: post #180
rubyist5eva wrote: post #52

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I'm just going to say, if you don't think this _isn't_ going to be massively abused - take a look at what the CCP, or any authoritarian regime does really, to silence dissent. Don't have a good enough social credit because you shared an opinion somebody doesn't like one too many times? Intel and Microsoft will just remotely brick all your devices. > Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer? Yeah, it's c…

So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?

If he doesn't want to be. I don't bother. I also stop taking his incoherent ramblings any more seriously than the limited amount I already did. You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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Post by philistine »

nightski wrote: post #117
StillBored wrote: post #111

Sad, 10 years of nothing from intel but single digit uplifts and increasing power. I think apple sort of proves that there is plenty of single threaded perf uplift available with the right designs (aka one not designed for a server). Even AMD traditionally trailing is easily surpassing them now too, the AMD core that is easily matching or beating them isn't even close to the best desktop part they have (and rightfull…

Yet they are still the king of single threaded performance (barely). I'm not so quick to rule out Intel, even if I have no love for them. While the M1 was extremely impressive from a power efficiency standpoint, I think the jury is far from out on whether Apple will be able to take those gains and scale them to serious computers.

I assure you my M1 Macbook Air is a serious computer. I know what you mean by serious, but honestly the only thing lacking from the M1 chip is connectivity. All three computers Apple released have the same limitation; two PCIe lanes for external connections.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

rowanG077 wrote: post #183
lrem wrote: post #180

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So, how do you make uncle Bob media literate?

Schooling, campaigns. A mandatory "driving" license for media consumption.

Licensing people for reading a newspaper? That is insane.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

sgift wrote: post #193
rubyist5eva wrote: post #85

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The endgame is to be able to have your fingerprint in every device you own, and it is not going to be optional. So that no matter if you uploaded a photo from your phone, an ipad, your PC - they will know it was you. It's going to be embedded at every level of the stack, from a file - right down to the silicon (if Intel's involvement is any indication). They want to know every piece of content you create and distribu…

Do you have any proof or even hint for your suggestions or is this just a doom 'n gloom mixed with "they are out to get you" paranoid trope of the week?

Do you think the mass deplatforming of "wrong thinkers" - which we have been seeing a shocking amount lately - is going to be harder, the same, or less difficult with something like the CCPA tracking literally everything you are doing?

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Post by rubyist5eva »

intricatedetail wrote: post #70
rubyist5eva wrote: post #12

Intel is on my shitlist now for their new "Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity" with Microsoft and Adobe. I don't care how fast their CPUs are, they are dead to me.

Oh this is dreadful. I moved to AMD this year. Do you know good alternative to After Effects on PC? If I could get that going I could stop my Adobe sub.

Unfortunately, the only viable alternative is Final Cut...which I think is vastly superior but is a much bigger investment (buying an Apple computer instead of just switching software).

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Post by daniel-thompson »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #12

Intel is on my shitlist now for their new "Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity" with Microsoft and Adobe. I don't care how fast their CPUs are, they are dead to me.

Maybe I'm missing it, but Intel doesn't seem to be listed among the members?

https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members

I agree that the project sounds like garbage.

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Post by ZuLuuuuuu »

towergratis wrote: post #136
AuthorizedCust wrote: post #94

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Why didn’t you just go with AMD?

> Why didn’t you just go with AMD? It's out of stock everywhere..

I think Ryzen 5000 series' stock situation is getting better, both 5600X and 5800X has been consistently in stock in Belgium and Netherlands for about 2-3 weeks.

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Post by kyriakos »

chronogram wrote: post #170
pantalaimon wrote: post #164

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There is no shortage on dedicated low end GPUs.

There is in the Netherlands it seems. The only one available AMD one is a RX 580 for €669, the only available Nvidia one is a €109 GT 1030. The GT 710 cards seem like a huge downgrade in terms of display options compared to my laptop’s integrated graphics.

Considering I bought an RX 580 for under 300 euro when it came out, the shortage is quite real unfortunately on all gpu levels.
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