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The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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I agree for games. They can be made extremely difficult to crack. Videos are easy to though.

Just wait till they figure out how to emit light from the TVs which you can see but cameras cannot. :D

That's where Nerualink comes in...

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

How many UWP games are there? That page lists six and the stickied post from last April say MS no longer makes UWP exclusive games.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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You'll be locked out of using your hardware's full potential, same goes for the software and media you use, too. Look at how Nvidia already locks nouveau developers out of using their GPUs' full power with cryptography.

There are already non mainstream OEMs you can buy hardware from that won't have this problem. System76, entroware, Purism (laptops+smartphones), Frame.Work (not only Linux laptops) and other Linux manufacturers are there to serve you. On the mobile space there is Purism, Pine64 and FairPhone. In our dystopian future, if you want ownership of a computing device you 'll need buy a nieche one.

As far as I'm aware, all of those OEMs will ship Nvidia's proprietary drivers and not nouveau.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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This is written from a position of ignorance on European companies. There are successful midpoints between US style capitalism and communism. In Germany, for example, company boards (for large firms) have worker representation: https://www.worker-participation.eu/National-Industrial-Rela... Heck - even functioning trade unions (not crippled as they are in the UK and US) provide a form of democratic check on individua…

What Marx calls socialism and what Western Europeans style as socialism aren't the same thing. Western European nations practice social democracy which developed before and independently of Marx. When discussed without stupid names and branding, most people are open to discussing some of the ideas you are presenting. But the moment you call it socialism you are going to lose people, especially Americans. Because a lo…

> Western European nations practice social democracy which developed before and independently of Marx.

When we look at Germany and their universal healthcare system, it was developed in the 1880's under Otto von Bismarck and their monarchy in a direct response to the fears of a Marx-inspired socialist uprising.

A lot of what developed in Europe was inspired by Marx and socialist organizing and developments on the continent.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

How many UWP games are there? That page lists six and the stickied post from last April say MS no longer makes UWP exclusive games.

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Surely the fact that a single blemish exists does not imply that we should just curl up in a hole and admit defeat. The fact that Widevine exists does little to damage the core of the above argument.

My point is that this is fundamentally not a viable argument anymore: > If you are supposed to be able to access YouTube from Firefox or Chrome, then you are also supposed to be able to access it via youtube-dl Were this an axiom, services like Netflix simply could not exist. We're defeated whether we admit it or not – browser DRM is not being yanked from browsers anytime soon. That's not even talking about its foreb…

The difference is DRM is a technical-only measure in most countries. The services employing DRM are scumbags, but they're welcome to try it.

That doesn't mean that ridiculous positions such as trying to legally forbid access to a website other than through a handful of sanctioned browsers is going to fly.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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It's a cute analogy, except it fails to explain why youtube-dl is the garbage bag in this instance. If we step away from analogies for a bit, are you actually arguing that we shouldn't have the ability to modify the markup and the code before we display it on our computers? If you insist on making a cute physical analogy, a more apt one would be of a tyrant buying out all the stores and allowing free entry on the con…

> it fails to explain why youtube-dl is the garbage bag in this instance No it doesn't. The buffet lets me eat as much as I want while I'm in their restaurant following their house rules. The garbage bag lets me take food out of the restaurant and consume a much larger amount of food however/whenever/wherever I choose – something the restaurant has forbid me to do according to their rules. This feels very much like w…

> something the restaurant has forbid me to do according to their rules.

Except they're not their rules. My computer, my rules.

I really wish you'd chosen to respond to my technical question instead, though.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Okay, what again prevents me from making a service that films a browser watching youtube? Could they do anything against that? No? Then ytdl will continue to be a thing.

I'm pretty sure DMCA has a clause that can hit you with a massive fine over that. Remember, US has sold all of their freedoms off to DRM content owners.

I mean technically. And yes the US (and EU) needs a copyright reform :)

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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> I still have Premium because ad-free is great! Use an alternative ad-free client if you don't wanna pay for a not working download feature.

Or just support the platform/creators because it's a small amount...

1) doesn't work without an account 2) I dont give google my payment details 3) the platform does not deserve any % of my donations, it's used used because it's a monopoly 4) not every creator I watch deserves the same cut, smaller high quality creators need more -> off site donations e.g. Patreon is way better in many ways.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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post #56

The best way to ensure there is no "copyright infringement" would be to shut off Youtube altogether and make sure nobody can see a "music video" without paying a subscription. Other than that, they should assume their content is accessible from any device which was exactly their original intention. The duplicitous attitude of music executives is that they even pay radios to play some songs in loops to turn public att…

Are you sure? Payola[1] is illegal last I knew.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola

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