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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by mschuster91 »

scarygliders wrote: post #80
stuu99 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic so we can't stop EA or activision from making games in fraudulent ways, so we'd need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically. There's no other way then private power being co-owned with the rest of society, aka there are certain things private individuals and companies can't engage in. That is the only explanation because c…

> The real issue is company ownership is anti-democratic Wrong. Company ownership is perfectly democratic. > need to have some ownership share over the company because it effects us politically This happens now with share ownership. > AKA bobby kotick can say to his employee's "make games with drm" and the employee's must obey or be fired, that is the fundamnetal problem with capitalism in a nutshell. Every single ti…

> Wrong. Company ownership is perfectly democratic.

It's not because a lot of shares end up owned by one of the few large ETF/pension plan administrators: in 88% of the S&P 500 companies [1], Vanguard/BlackRock/State Street together own the majority of the shares, and at least the passive ETF-held parts usually do not participate in voting which means that tiny "activist" investors now have a lot more vote percentage than they should.

Not to mention corporates with different share classes where the ones with voting rights are to a large degree privately held and the ones traded publicly do not have vote rights, such as Tesla [2].

> Every single time communism has been tried, it inevitably ends up that ultimate power rests in the hands of a few.

So where's the difference to the current situation, where those with the "ultimate powers" in society are effectively under control of their party donors? At least in communism, everyone had a right to a home to live in and to a decent employment matching his skill (see e.g. Art 24 sec. 1 of the Constitution of the former GDR [3]).

[1]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-and-politic...

[2]: https://www.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/how-elon-musk-con...

[3]: https://www.kas.de/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=9c5c691c...

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by dukeofdoom »

stuu99 wrote: post #42
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

We might end up in a situation in the near future where China provides the more open solutions. Russia will now use Chinese UnionPay to get around MasterCard and Visa banning Russian clients. I have gen2 ipod touch that the hardware is perfectly fine, but no way to update the software that I know.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by usrbinbash »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #120
usrbinbash wrote: post #84

So, what is the point of this again? Even if they win, what would it remove? A website, which essentially just hosts some links to github. Within German jurisdiction only. So it would probably be up and running from a different provider within a day or two. And the repository itself would remain completely untouched anyway.

It's also about setting a precedent. Anyone else wanting to host it in Germany will think twice if the courts have already ruled one way.

Can't imagine it's hard to find a hosting provider in one of the other 194 countries.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

hutzlibu wrote: post #116
jimbob45 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fifteen minutes to get up and running with Ubuntu or Mint if you stay focused. A lot of people don’t realize that LibreOffice, Steam, and Discord are all fully usable on Linux these days.

Have you watched the video, this guy linked? It basically tries this, from the perspective of a linux beginner switching from windows. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30585462 It is 15 minutes, if nothing goes wrong and you know what you are doing. If something goes wrong and you are not native with the terminal - good luck.

The point was not that Linux is grandma-friendly as an OS, the point was that you do not necessarily have to delay installing it until you get a new computer, and may even negate the need for a new computer (certainly it's added years to various laptops in my orbit).

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

Gareth321 wrote: post #98
CactusOnFire wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use linux? My next PC I am making the switch.

Not a good alternative for the big middle distribution of computer skills of the computer user base. Web browser only? Great. Highly skilled? Great. Everyone else? It can be a nightmare. Linus' Linux Challenge videos ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M ) provide excellent insight into the typical user experience for anyone beyond web browser only requirements and beneath administrator level. If you find you…

Whenever people mentioned Linux UX and computer knowledge I always feel like I should evangelize that Zorin OS is alive and well, now at Zorin Core 16.

I use it for my parents, after they got fed up with Windows warnings and pop-ups for Windows 10 upgrade.

I am not sure they full understand they are using Linux, they just assume it is a 'free' windows version.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by feanaro »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

We're not being a little too cute. If you are supposed to be able to access YouTube from Firefox or Chrome, then you are also supposed to be able to access it via youtube-dl, given all of those are HTTP clients. Saying otherwise would be setting a dangerous precedent of trying to legislate which HTTP clients are allowed and which are disallowed.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

dehrmann wrote: post #89
lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #76

How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more — while also making it technically incapable of being evil and closed? Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

> rent-extracting, and private entity? Google isn't really rent seeking with Youtube. It pays for distribution (even for demonetized content), site development, building recommendation systems, content moderation, accessibility though subtitles, etc. That doesn't mean they don't make money on it, that their decisions are always just, or what they promote is good for society, just that they add a lot of value beyond s…

I think maybe this was true five years ago, but at some point they decided to turn the screws and really ramp up advertising. I don’t follow their financials but I assume the site was self sufficient with far fewer ads than today, and that now they are extracting profit (rents) from their established behemoth. Of course I could be wrong.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by faeyanpiraat »

malka wrote: post #113
avhception wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you are able to purchase sufficiently fast hardware that lets you run other OSes and don't want to play games or watch videos on that hardware I guess.

I agree for games. They can be made extremely difficult to crack. Videos are easy to though.

Just wait till they figure out how to emit light from the TVs which you can see but cameras cannot. :D

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Nextgrid »

gizmo686 wrote: post #50
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

As I read that post, the circumvention applies only to a throttling control, not an overall access control. Since it should have been just as easy (if no easier) to simply block unofficial clients instead of throttling them, it seems like a clear argument that Google does not intend to block 3rd party Downloader, but merely give preferential treatment to first party ones. If you by that argument. Then bypassing the p…

Maybe it's a compromise because they still have their own legacy versions of the client that can't support the new scheme and yet need to remain at least semi-functional?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by ravenstine »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #106
jsmolka wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did the same because I wanted to consume podcasts with the screen locked and not have adds. But the download speed for me is pretty good. Downloading a 2.5h podcast in 480p (which has the same audio quality as 1080p IIRC) takes less than half a minute.

Why would they not allow audio-only downloads?

This is the main reason why I use NewPipe rather than pay YouTube's ransom. Although I have a high bandwidth plan, I just don't like wasting bandwidth and disk space for video data I'm not actually looking at with my eyes. Most of the time I pop on some intellectual content and listen to it, and the video is often unnecessary. Just give me the damn audio and I'm good. YouTube seems to think this isn't a concern, and maybe it isn't if I forced it to download the 140p version of the video, but that's still a clunky solution. Or maybe the execs think that providing audio downloads lets people "steal" music.
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