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The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by avhception »

irrational wrote: post #49
stuu99 wrote: post #42

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>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

As long as you are able to purchase sufficiently fast hardware that lets you run other OSes and don't want to play games or watch videos on that hardware I guess.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by oblio »

askura wrote: post #13
jedberg wrote: post #11

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Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.

Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.

It's not sad. There are too many people out there and most of their opinions are not worth hearing, let alone being listened to.

The signal to noise ratio of the world is awful.

That's why in real life we have a carefully curated set of friends (even people who contradict us!).

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by malka »

avhception wrote: post #111
irrational wrote: post #49

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So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

As long as you are able to purchase sufficiently fast hardware that lets you run other OSes and don't want to play games or watch videos on that hardware I guess.

I agree for games. They can be made extremely difficult to crack.

Videos are easy to though.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by blibble »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #41
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

So long as the https://www.eff.org/issues/analog-hole exists, piracy cannot be stopped. The ever-escalating arms race between content and consumers will go on, but there will be no victory, only collateral damage. If you have content people value but they aren't willing to pay for it, find out why. Maybe it's because you're charging too much, running too many ads, making it hard to cancel, or they just don't actually…

they can put fingerprints/watermarks into the analogue signal pretty easily if they're scared of that

plus the analogue hole is disappearing rapidly (including the 3.5mm jack)

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by maccolgan »

blendergeek wrote: post #6
colejohnson66 wrote: post #5

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Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.

Oddly accurate.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hutzlibu »

jimbob45 wrote: post #69
adhesive_wombat wrote: post #65

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Dual boot on your current PC, no time like the present. Bonus: you add years to the useful life of the machine, because most Linuxes fly even when Windows chugs.

Fifteen minutes to get up and running with Ubuntu or Mint if you stay focused. A lot of people don’t realize that LibreOffice, Steam, and Discord are all fully usable on Linux these days.

Have you watched the video, this guy linked? It basically tries this, from the perspective of a linux beginner switching from windows.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30585462

It is 15 minutes, if nothing goes wrong and you know what you are doing. If something goes wrong and you are not native with the terminal - good luck.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by [deleted] »

thristian wrote: post #61
hunterb123 wrote: post #45

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Interesting. How did they identify youtube-dl to throttle it, and what was the workaround?

YouTube throttles the download speed of videos to the real-time playback speed. It also provides (if I recall correctly) a random token and a JS blob; if the client executes the JS and passes in the token, it gets another random token as output that if passed along with a request will unthrottle the downloads speed. As a result, full-speed downloads are only available to clients that can safely execute untrusted JS,…

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by mschuster91 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #66
irrational wrote: post #49

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So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

You'll be locked out of using your hardware's full potential, same goes for the software and media you use, too. Look at how Nvidia already locks nouveau developers out of using their GPUs' full power with cryptography.

> Look at how Nvidia already locks nouveau developers out of using their GPUs' full power with cryptography.

The problem is not cryptography, the problem is copyright.

Nouveau could in theory upload the signed firmware blob from a legitimate driver to the GPU and build an interface to communicate with it. The problem is, the legitimate driver package prohibits any kind of modification outside the intended purpose, which means it's questionable if building and redistributing a tool to extract the firmware blob out of a driver package is legal, and it's certainly not legal to redistribute that extracted blob.

Here in Europe, at least the building and distribution of the tool as well as the act of the user to download the legitimate driver package, extract and use the blob should be legal, but that doesn't help if the developers of the project are outside of the EU :(

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #66
irrational wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

You'll be locked out of using your hardware's full potential, same goes for the software and media you use, too. Look at how Nvidia already locks nouveau developers out of using their GPUs' full power with cryptography.

Maybe "full potential" could have multiple meanings. For example, one user might focus on hardware performance^1 while another might focus on hardware flexibility. Freedom, doing whatever it is they wish with the hardware they have purchased.

1. Only applicable to an "approved use" of the hardware.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

usrbinbash wrote: post #84

So, what is the point of this again? Even if they win, what would it remove? A website, which essentially just hosts some links to github. Within German jurisdiction only. So it would probably be up and running from a different provider within a day or two. And the repository itself would remain completely untouched anyway.

It's also about setting a precedent. Anyone else wanting to host it in Germany will think twice if the courts have already ruled one way.
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