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The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by jedberg »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #5
guiambros wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminder to not link directly to jwz.org from HN. Here's a sanitized link: (or right click above and open in incognito) https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083848/https://www.jwz.o...

Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up.

Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by charcircuit »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

btw that cipher is only on a subset of videos (usually music videos)

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by askura »

jedberg wrote: post #11
colejohnson66 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.

Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by perihelions »

guiambros wrote: post #4
webmaven wrote: post #3

I'm not sure what it says about me that my first thought upon reading this: > an independent club owner in San Francisco tried to run a promotional video given to him for a band he’d booked, only to find Instagram’s filer blocked it. He was able to reinstate the video, 17 months after the band had come and gone. Was "I bet that was jwz" . Indeed, a brief web search turned up this (via a recent-ish Cory Doctorow post…

Reminder to not link directly to jwz.org from HN. Here's a sanitized link: (or right click above and open in incognito) https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083848/https://www.jwz.o...

Complementary to this, anyone can simply disable (or spoof!) their HTTP Refer[r]ers. Don't give surveillance adtech an inch.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by colejohnson66 »

blendergeek wrote: post #6
colejohnson66 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.

“A DDOS” (aka the “hug of death”) makes sense, but “man children and brogrammers”?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by branon »

Lascaille wrote: post #10
branon wrote: post #7

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>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

Thanks for replying. My comment is getting downvoted (rightly so as it's off-topic politicking) but I wanted to have the conversation anyway since somebody else brought up jwz.

That is the exact link I was thinking of. Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by JohnTHaller »

perihelions wrote: post #14
guiambros wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminder to not link directly to jwz.org from HN. Here's a sanitized link: (or right click above and open in incognito) https://web.archive.org/web/20220121083848/https://www.jwz.o...

Complementary to this, anyone can simply disable (or spoof!) their HTTP Refer[r]ers. Don't give surveillance adtech an inch. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer

Better to disable than spoof. Lots of CDNs and download mirrors are configured to allow blank ones (so techie folks can access) but disallow unapproved existing referrers (to prevent leeching bandwidth).

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by perihelions »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #17
perihelions wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complementary to this, anyone can simply disable (or spoof!) their HTTP Refer[r]ers. Don't give surveillance adtech an inch. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer

Better to disable than spoof. Lots of CDNs and download mirrors are configured to allow blank ones (so techie folks can access) but disallow unapproved existing referrers (to prevent leeching bandwidth).

Yes, but Firefox' spoofing option that I linked sends the target URL as a self-referrer, which is benign. It's the same behavior as navigating internal links.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by imoverclocked »

askura wrote: post #13
jedberg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before when his posts got on the front page his own comments section would fill up with people who don't agree with him. He did not like this, so he made it slightly more difficult to see his content so that most people would just give up. Basically he only wants people who agree with him to read and respond to his content.

Pretty sad way to live your life to be honest. Healthy discussion and reflection is what stops you turning into a pillock and more people need it.

In many spheres, yes, but not all. Sometimes the world/popular opinion really is wrong but is pushed with the guise of “healthy discussion.” When you meet a lot of different people, you realize we are all pretty similar… ask similar questions, make similar complaints. It also means we all have similar “healthy discussions” which can be somewhat antithetical to pushing in/discovering a new direction.

That said, I know nothing about this person.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by MereInterest »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

I thought the most recent legal argument was the 2019 hiQ Labs Inc v LinkedIn Corp[0], in which the Ninth Circuit found web scraping to be legal, and forbid LinkedIn from blocking web scrapers. The exact same argument can be made for accessing YouTube via youtube-dl.

The article does indicate that the decision in hiQ v LinkedIn was vacated by SCOTUS following the 2021 Van Buren v United States [0], to be retried by the Ninth Circuit. However, I'm not seeing a way that the decision in Van Buren would change the outcome, as it concluded that the CFAA did not apply to cases where somebody is legally allowed to access a computer at all.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiQ_Labs_v._LinkedIn

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/03/supreme-court-hacking-cfaa...

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