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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by seanp2k2 »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

So long as the https://www.eff.org/issues/analog-hole exists, piracy cannot be stopped. The ever-escalating arms race between content and consumers will go on, but there will be no victory, only collateral damage.

If you have content people value but they aren't willing to pay for it, find out why. Maybe it's because you're charging too much, running too many ads, making it hard to cancel, or they just don't actually value it all that much. In YouTube's case, I would say that for the vast majority of content and the vast majority of users on the site, the content is worth approximately $0.00 to them, and the content is not so crucial that a few unskippable ads in a row will have most users just saying "forget it" and finding something else to do.

Yes, pointing a camera at a monitor is more work and worse quality than getting the original video with best-quality-possible [compressed] audio, but no amount of laws can prevent people from doing that if they really value the content highly.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by stuu99 »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it

Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and windows 11 are the beginning of you not being able to run or play files or exe's over the next 20 years as youtube, netflix, the game industry update their software to use TPM.

This was from 2001:

https://www.theregister.com/2001/12/13/the_microsoft_secure_...

Here is a paper explaining what the future of files/broadcasts will be like:

https://web2.qatar.cmu.edu/cs/15349/dl/DRM-TC.pdf

Basically they are building a parallel mainframe inside our PC's that only youtube, netflix, the game industry and other software companies will control. They are removing ownership of our devices and they needed microsofts help to do that.

We've seen mirosoft trial bricking cracked exe's via update. Many UWP games only work on certain versions of windows.

See here (ctrf-f then select the UWP link)

https://old.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/p9ak4n/crack_wa...

They are bringing console lockdown to the PC that is why windows 10 had forced updates. That is why windows 11 was also pushing forced internet connection hard for home users.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hunterb123 »

gurchik wrote: post #37
hunterb123 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What wasn't maintained for you? In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you? As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent. I'm not a fan of feature creep in the name of progress. I am a fan of options though, so if there was an necessity for a fork I support it.

> As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent. But a project like youtube-dl needs frequent updates, because otherwise it'll stop working after an update from Google. I'm not the parent, but the "a few months ago" timeline makes me think they switched to yt-dlp in December 2021 when youtube-dl did not work for a few days after it broke due to a change from Google. There were PRs quickly made to fix…

> But a project like youtube-dl needs frequent updates, because otherwise it'll stop working after an update from Google.

Right, but as a frequent user of youtube-dl it has been working for me, I was curious what wasn't working.

Your explanation of the few day PR merge delay explains the fork though, thank you.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by r3muxd »

stuu99 wrote: post #42
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

I just wish something could be done about it all.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hunterb123 »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #40
hunterb123 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What wasn't maintained for you? In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you? As software gets more stable, updates should be less frequent. I'm not a fan of feature creep in the name of progress. I am a fan of options though, so if there was an necessity for a fork I support it.

>What wasn't maintained for you? >In that I mean what feature was missing or broken for you? youtube-dl got throttled, it took ages to download videos from Youtube.

Interesting. How did they identify youtube-dl to throttle it, and what was the workaround?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Impassionata »

stickfigure wrote: post #27
colejohnson66 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“A DDOS” (aka the “hug of death”) makes sense, but “man children and brogrammers”?

JWZ is one of those people who thinks it's edgy and cool to insult people. I found it funny about 20 years ago, now I find it merely embarrassing.

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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by stuu99 »

r3muxd wrote: post #44
stuu99 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

I just wish something could be done about it all.

Unfortunately there is no freedom under capitalism mon capitan, it's part and part of private ownership. American copyright law grants companies state like powers to remove your rights and freedoms.

The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law.

But as we all know the US is the most worshipful of capitalist ideology.

Software coming under copyright allows companies to remove out rights because we never got any property rights for software and games. That allows them to encrypt binaries and make computers that obey them and not us.

So you could call the FTC and launch an anti-trust complaint. https://www.ftc.gov/

Because DRM is vendor lockin when you get down to it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by CactusOnFire »

r3muxd wrote: post #44
stuu99 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

I just wish something could be done about it all.

Use linux?

My next PC I am making the switch.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by irrational »

stuu99 wrote: post #42
md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

So, if I don’t use Windows then I’m fine?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by gizmo686 »

md224 wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about this is that YouTube is clearly trying to make it more difficult for non-official clients to stream video, as is evident from the required workaround described here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/29326#issuecom... The legal defense of youtube-dl is premised on the idea that there's no circumvention occurring [0]. I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfer…

As I read that post, the circumvention applies only to a throttling control, not an overall access control. Since it should have been just as easy (if no easier) to simply block unofficial clients instead of throttling them, it seems like a clear argument that Google does not intend to block 3rd party Downloader, but merely give preferential treatment to first party ones.

If you by that argument. Then bypassing the protection might be illegal, but would not be a copyright issue, and Google would be the only one with standing to sue.

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