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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by dento »

14 wrote: post #77
seanp2k2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So long as the https://www.eff.org/issues/analog-hole exists, piracy cannot be stopped. The ever-escalating arms race between content and consumers will go on, but there will be no victory, only collateral damage. If you have content people value but they aren't willing to pay for it, find out why. Maybe it's because you're charging too much, running too many ads, making it hard to cancel, or they just don't actually…

You gave me an idea if someone was to design a small display attached to a camera paired specifically to capture high quality video not just someone propping up a camera but where external light was blocked and the image size and camera are perfectly matched with an audio input as well they may have a market.

Why not skip the display completely and just go with a capture card? They are cheap and have none of the issues with lights and timings.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by zeepzeep »

BrianHenryIE wrote: post #60

I signed up for YouTube Premium because I wanted to watch some videos offline (on a flight). The download speed is awful. Now I use YouTube-dl when I want to watch videos offline. I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

> I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

Use an alternative ad-free client if you don't wanna pay for a not working download feature.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by dehrmann »

blendergeek wrote: post #6
colejohnson66 wrote: post #5

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Anyone know why they block HN referral requests?

If you click through to JWZ from HN, you will see an NSFW picture with the following text underneath: > Hackers News: A DDos by finance obsessed man-children and brogrammers.

They're not entirely wrong.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hughrr »

r3muxd wrote: post #44
stuu99 wrote: post #42

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>I 100% support youtube-dl and I want YouTube to stop interfering with it Well if you've bought any client-server app over the last 23 years its a bit too late for computing freedom. They are locking down IO with trusted computing, there's been a 23+ year initiative to move to encrypted computing to take input/output control away from the user, this required the co-operation of hardware manufacturers. Windows 10 and…

I just wish something could be done about it all.

HDCP strippers and torrent sites are a thing.

I prefer my media from an ethical source, which means mkv on a usb stick. Even if I paid for the streaming service already.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by danuker »

usrbinbash wrote: post #84

So, what is the point of this again? Even if they win, what would it remove? A website, which essentially just hosts some links to github. Within German jurisdiction only. So it would probably be up and running from a different provider within a day or two. And the repository itself would remain completely untouched anyway.

There's no end in sight.

My guess is the point is to make it difficult to get videos from their platform without seeing the ads.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by danuker »

zeepzeep wrote: post #92
BrianHenryIE wrote: post #60

I signed up for YouTube Premium because I wanted to watch some videos offline (on a flight). The download speed is awful. Now I use YouTube-dl when I want to watch videos offline. I still have Premium because ad-free is great!

> I still have Premium because ad-free is great! Use an alternative ad-free client if you don't wanna pay for a not working download feature.

Who knows whether you can stop paying for it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by onion2k »

renewiltord wrote: post #81
onion2k wrote: post #68

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The implication of that statistic is that 4 in every 25 people you meet are statistically not worth listening to. I can assure you the number of people you should ignore is way higher than that.

Mate, you want to take another crack at that lower bound calculation?

No idea what you mean ;)

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Gareth321 »

CactusOnFire wrote: post #48
r3muxd wrote: post #44

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I just wish something could be done about it all.

Use linux? My next PC I am making the switch.

Not a good alternative for the big middle distribution of computer skills of the computer user base. Web browser only? Great. Highly skilled? Great. Everyone else? It can be a nightmare. Linus' Linux Challenge videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M) provide excellent insight into the typical user experience for anyone beyond web browser only requirements and beneath administrator level. If you find yourself saying "what an idiot, how did he not know that "do as I say" would mangle his OS," you're definitively in the highly skilled camp.

Linux UX convention relies on the terminal as a matter of course. Almost everything not in the package manager requires use of the terminal. Even many of the package managed applications require tweaks and configuration via terminal. It's an open secret that package managers are largely inferior to the terminal anyway, in every distribution. The almost universal response to "I am having an issue with the package manager" is "use terminal." Bottom line: terminal is far less user friendly than an object oriented environment, and is often much slower. Until a flavour of Linux exists which never ever, for any reason ever, requires the use of the terminal, Linux will remain in the low single digits in terms of consumer market share. I don't think this will change, because if you ask the average Linux developer what they think of the terminal convention, they love it, and they think users just need to stop sucking so much.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by 14 »

dento wrote: post #91
14 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You gave me an idea if someone was to design a small display attached to a camera paired specifically to capture high quality video not just someone propping up a camera but where external light was blocked and the image size and camera are perfectly matched with an audio input as well they may have a market.

Why not skip the display completely and just go with a capture card? They are cheap and have none of the issues with lights and timings.

I was just thinking with vendors making hardware more hostile and if they made that not a possibility where an external camera defeats that. If a capture card works then that seems even easier and if youtubedl is under attack maybe that is how people will do it but one thing is for sure, people will do it.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by zozbot234 »

lazzlazzlazz wrote: post #76

How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more — while also making it technically incapable of being evil and closed? Are there technologies that we can use to allow network effects to accumulate to software that isn't controlled by a single, rent-extracting, and private entity?

> How can we create a video platform with high-quality discovery, personalization, subscriptions, comments, voting, and more

Ideally, by decoupling these things from one another. There's no reason they'd have to be part of a single platform - for instance, a client (app or web) could fetch public 'likes' and/or comments referencing (or "annotating", per the relevant Web standards) a PeerTube video from Mastodon. This is already superior to what YT does.

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