Before pontificating too much about the doom of Hong Kong, you should observe that compared to the US, HK has: - Far lower crime and incarceration - Better education (measured by PISA scores) - Incomparably better infrastructure (compare beautiful, clean HK subways with laughably pathetic US ones) - Better health outcomes than the US, 84 year life expectancy vs 79 for the US - Preserves an incredibly large percentage…
Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble
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#243EDIT: Nevermind. unityByFreedom is a troll https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=14667581
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
The same is happening to Taiwan (stuttered growth; in-fighting, etc.). The issue is deeply rooted in local power-wielding elites conspiring or opposing the ruling government. It has nothing to do democracy. The riches have already allocated some of their wealth elsewhere (see Canada and Australia), so they don't really care. It's always easy to blame it on Beijing, isn't it?
The elites of Taiwan are mostly mainlanders (well, 1949 descended transplants who suppressed the native Taiwanese elites) who prefer closer ties with the mainland. The violent swings in Taiwan's politics between the KMT and DPP are all relate to that.
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#2451) Many people. Look at Brexit. You can argue until your face turns blue that it's bad for Britain, it most likely is, but at least they don't have unelected politicians setting rules. It's pro-self-determination no matter how you look at it. 2) Why should Britain stand up for Hong Kong? They're imperialists while they hold on to it, and then cowards when they give it back to China and say? 3) Almost invariable yes.…
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#246> The real reason for Hong Kong's decline, is the failure/irresponsibility of Hong Kong's elite ruling class Sounds like a narrative that Beijing would very much support, Mr. New Account. Get people to hate their local govt and appeal to a higher authority for support. Brilliant.
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#247> Xiaomi, Didi, Mobike and OFO are the 4 unicorns of China's internet industry, Lol. You're just going to ignore Tencent, founder of QQ, and countless other older, proven-to-be successful tech companies that aren't from anywhere near Beijing? Suffice it to say, not everyone agrees with your assessment of Beijing as being the leader in innovation [1] Being nearer the beauracracy never helps your flexibility. It helps…
This is an international environment and the last thing we need is people sniping at each other's nations for either internecine or xenophobic reasons. When feeling activated, we all must take care to remain respectful. (Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14669197.)
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not a place for flame wars. Regardless of what you feel I've done, you need to stop.
Absolutely adorable. Thank you for that.
More explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14669173.
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#249> Xiaomi, Didi, Mobike and OFO are the 4 unicorns of China's internet industry, Lol. You're just going to ignore Tencent, founder of QQ, and countless other older, proven-to-be successful tech companies that aren't from anywhere near Beijing? Suffice it to say, not everyone agrees with your assessment of Beijing as being the leader in innovation [1] Being nearer the beauracracy never helps your flexibility. It helps…
You've broken the HN guidelines repeatedly in this thread by engaging in nationalistic flamewar. Please don't do that again. This is an international environment and the last thing we need is people sniping at each other's nations for either internecine or xenophobic reasons. When feeling activated, we all must take care to remain respectful. (Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14669197. ) We detached this…
I guess I'm not sure how to debate whether one city produces more successful startups than another. I mean, I think it's safe to say that Y Combinator and SF have been more successful than, say, Union Square Ventures and NYC, so I'm not sure where the internecine is in my above comment, but I guess I'll just sidestep this topic altogether for now and think on it. Thanks for letting me know.
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#250The Chinese have valid reasons to assimilate that territory.