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Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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Re: Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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Before pontificating too much about the doom of Hong Kong, you should observe that compared to the US, HK has: - Far lower crime and incarceration - Better education (measured by PISA scores) - Incomparably better infrastructure (compare beautiful, clean HK subways with laughably pathetic US ones) - Better health outcomes than the US, 84 year life expectancy vs 79 for the US - Preserves an incredibly large percentage…

Country of 300 million vs city of 7.

Re: Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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There has also been a generational shift in the pro-democracy camp. Voters have replaced older, more pragmatic politicians with younger candidates more stridently opposed to the Communist authorities and willing to engage in all-out resistance. bullet force http://bulletforcegame.com/

Re: Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same is happening to Taiwan (stuttered growth; in-fighting, etc.). The issue is deeply rooted in local power-wielding elites conspiring or opposing the ruling government. It has nothing to do democracy. The riches have already allocated some of their wealth elsewhere (see Canada and Australia), so they don't really care. It's always easy to blame it on Beijing, isn't it?

The elites of Taiwan are mostly mainlanders (well, 1949 descended transplants who suppressed the native Taiwanese elites) who prefer closer ties with the mainland. The violent swings in Taiwan's politics between the KMT and DPP are all relate to that.

There is so much intermarriage between the 1949 Mainlanders and the Taiwanese that I don't think you can label their children and grandchildren as "Mainlanders."

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1) Many people. Look at Brexit. You can argue until your face turns blue that it's bad for Britain, it most likely is, but at least they don't have unelected politicians setting rules. It's pro-self-determination no matter how you look at it. 2) Why should Britain stand up for Hong Kong? They're imperialists while they hold on to it, and then cowards when they give it back to China and say? 3) Almost invariable yes.…

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> The real reason for Hong Kong's decline, is the failure/irresponsibility of Hong Kong's elite ruling class Sounds like a narrative that Beijing would very much support, Mr. New Account. Get people to hate their local govt and appeal to a higher authority for support. Brilliant.

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> Xiaomi, Didi, Mobike and OFO are the 4 unicorns of China's internet industry, Lol. You're just going to ignore Tencent, founder of QQ, and countless other older, proven-to-be successful tech companies that aren't from anywhere near Beijing? Suffice it to say, not everyone agrees with your assessment of Beijing as being the leader in innovation [1] Being nearer the beauracracy never helps your flexibility. It helps…

You've broken the HN guidelines repeatedly in this thread by engaging in nationalistic flamewar. Please don't do that again.

This is an international environment and the last thing we need is people sniping at each other's nations for either internecine or xenophobic reasons. When feeling activated, we all must take care to remain respectful. (Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14669197.)

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Re: Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a place for flame wars. Regardless of what you feel I've done, you need to stop.

Absolutely adorable. Thank you for that.

You broke the HN guidelines egregiously in this thread by being uncivil and engaging in nationalistic flamewar. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't do it again.

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Re: Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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> Xiaomi, Didi, Mobike and OFO are the 4 unicorns of China's internet industry, Lol. You're just going to ignore Tencent, founder of QQ, and countless other older, proven-to-be successful tech companies that aren't from anywhere near Beijing? Suffice it to say, not everyone agrees with your assessment of Beijing as being the leader in innovation [1] Being nearer the beauracracy never helps your flexibility. It helps…

You've broken the HN guidelines repeatedly in this thread by engaging in nationalistic flamewar. Please don't do that again. This is an international environment and the last thing we need is people sniping at each other's nations for either internecine or xenophobic reasons. When feeling activated, we all must take care to remain respectful. (Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14669197. ) We detached this…

Certainly wasn't my intention. I'll be more careful in the future.

I guess I'm not sure how to debate whether one city produces more successful startups than another. I mean, I think it's safe to say that Y Combinator and SF have been more successful than, say, Union Square Ventures and NYC, so I'm not sure where the internecine is in my above comment, but I guess I'll just sidestep this topic altogether for now and think on it. Thanks for letting me know.

Re: Once a Model City, Hong Kong Is in Trouble

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After the British Empire lost the American colonies, they tried to compensate their loss by refocusing their efforts eastwards. However the British realized they could not profit by playing fairly, so they started smuggling narcotics into China and when that failed, they invaded them, giving origin to their presence in Hong Kong.

The Chinese have valid reasons to assimilate that territory.

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