On Receiving my Certificate of Loss of Nationality

Post by popcube » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

ajay-b wrote: post #198

001Diana wrote: post #173

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This is not “having your cake and eating it too,” it’s much more complex. It also is never a case of “the country wasn’t good enough to live in.” I would love to live in the USA. That is not where life took me. At its simplest Americans are not free to live anywhere in the world the way citizens of all other countries are (even Eritrea, the only other country that taxes it’s citizens based on citizenship, does not su…

But in this case, even though you were living abroad, you’re still a American citizen and required to pay taxes. It’s not America’s fault that you’re living abroad for a decade. Is your intention to stay there for life, and if so, just renounce your citizenship. If you’re not willing to contribute as a citizen, why remain a citizen?

Post by estewart » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:17 AM UTC

hbrav wrote: post #33

I have a question about this, that I've never been able to find a good answer to: what happens if you unilaterally renounce US citizenship? Consider the situation: you're a dual US / Dutch citizen. You want to avoid paying US income tax (or just to avoid filling in a form each year that results in the IRS telling you that your tax bill is $0 because the Netherlands' tax rate is higher). But the State Department's ren…

Post by AndyMcConachie » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:26 AM UTC

cheese_van wrote: post #183

throw63738 wrote: post #72

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》This misses the point in that the US is the _only_ developed country to impose worldwide taxation on its citizens regardless of where they live Not really. Norway does that for 3 years after leaving. Australia is very opinionated and may not allow people to change tax residency, even after physically moving out...

Norway and....Maryland. I've lived abroad most of my career and unwisely lived in Maryland for a short time. When I left to go abroad again, Maryland insisted on taxing my earnings, despite the overseas domicile. I found trying to fight Maryland over taxes was exasperating and futile. protip: if you live in Maryland, and plan an overseas life, establish a domicile in a tax friendly state beforehand. Then leave. Other…

Post by op00to » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:33 AM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #216

op00to wrote: post #182

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Really? you were squirted out into a modern society managed by modern government institutions. Ignoring the fact that you’re discounting the miracle of life, you certainly took advantage of more than $2350 of services upon birth. Security, med school funding, Medicare hospital funding, road infrastructure…

You're assuming that the person in this scenario ever actually lived in the US. You can get an American citizenship without ever actually living there, which will then just make your life harder and if you want to make your life easier, that'll be $2350.

Post by digbybk » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 11:43 AM UTC

jkepler wrote: post #217

digbybk wrote: post #160

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It exists only when people believe it exists. If no one believed in your citizenship, your passport would just be a little notebook with no value. When going from a world without citizenship to a world with it, nothing needs to change outside of the human brain. In that sense, it’s a fiction.

No. A passport says what country must take you when other places decide to deport you or refuse you entry.