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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by lainga » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:36 PM UTC

blargathon wrote: post #222

Let's consider them as market forces. Likes are internet currency. In that context dislikes are a secondary currency that doesn't have a clear value. Dislikes tend to depend on the content and current cultural norms to determine why the dislike was added. Their value is not easily determined. For a controversial creator a dislike may actually be a badge of honor. For a DIY creator it's a major negative. Due to this a…

A form of social-signal bimetallism. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of likes!

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by conception » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:37 PM UTC

nigrioid wrote: post #11

It's because of what happens when the White House forgets to disable comments and dislikes. https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/359823/former...

“It’s important to note that at one point Vorhies leaked documents to the right-wing group Project Veritas, then became a committed anti-vaxxer (vaccine) and promoter of QAnon. Last year he laid out a plan to promote “Plandemic,” a pair of 2020 conspiracy theory videos produced by Mikki Willis that Wikipedia claims promote misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic.” - the source is far from even dubious.

Or, as YouTube stated, they removed fraudulent votes which is highly likely on a White House video.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by bjourne » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:37 PM UTC

cbozeman wrote: post #53

happytoexplain wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We were all supposed to love that movie because it has four women in it I see this sarcastic quipping a couple orders of magnitude more often than I see the attitude it is skewering in regards to that movie (not that that attitude didn't exist). I think part of that is the normal overreaction to anything "SJW", but I think the bigger contribution might be because, after the incredible degree of hatred the black actr…

> the incredible degree of hatred the black actress got I really don't recall Leslie Jones receiving as much backlash as certain outlets purported. Part of that is because that, for these outlets (common offenders including Slate and its ilk), any amount of backlash or derision, or frankly, anything less than glowing praise is "racism". And now that the word "racism" is starting to lose power, they've moved on to "wh…

> I really don't recall Leslie Jones receiving as much backlash as certain outlets purported.

> Today in awful news, Leslie Jones’s personal website has been taken down after being targeted by a vicious hack. Hackers infiltrated the site with what appeared to be naked photos of the comedian, as well as images of her passport and driver’s license, private photos of her with various celebrities, and a photo of dead gorilla (and meme that refuses to die) Harambe. ... Last month, the comedian’s Twitter account was inundated with racist and sexist hate speech associated with her role in Paul Feig’s inexplicably controversial all-female Ghostbusters reboot, and Twitter pledged to reform their harassment policies in response.

https://www.thecut.com/2016/08/a-timeline-of-leslie-joness-h...

You can find screenshots of the trolls' tweets here: https://splinternews.com/how-a-racist-sexist-hate-mob-forced...

"Ok I have been called Apes, sent pics of their asses, even got a pic with semen on my face. I'm trying to figure out what human means. I'm out"

https://www.popbuzz.com/life/news/leslie-jones-racist-tweets...

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by viraptor » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:38 PM UTC

gnarbarian wrote: post #123

Covzire wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

YouTube was a free speech platform only as long as it took to establish dominance. Now it's just another corporate megaphone with an inconvenient independent creator problem they are slowly solving by making it an intolerable place to have dissenting opinions. Can't question the election, can't question coronavirus. Big Google decides what is acceptable and keeps the rules and process vague, inscrutable, and opaque s…

WH disabling comments on its videos is not against free speech. It's not about allowing you to shout about your issues wherever you want with everyone having to see it. Disabling comments on official communication is a good move whether it's gov or private company announcements.

They won't have to deal with some top upvoted comment with: incorrect summary, incorrect restatement of something, abuse at the account or others, etc. For official announcement there's thousands of places to discuss them on the internet and literally no upside to allowing that in the same visible space as the announcement itself.

(see for example https://youtu.be/lzTUQLbzYJA and try to find any comment which provides any valuable information and isn't just heckling, totally off topic, or just abusive - I found just 1 out of ~140 - why would anyone want that on an official announcement?)

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by booleandilemma » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:39 PM UTC

Users should just comment "dislike" (or some form of it) from here on out.

Or maybe people can rate videos on a 3rd party service.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by flippinburgers » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:39 PM UTC

panny wrote: post #116

Covzire wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

To me this sounds like, Right: Cancel culture is bad! Youtube: You're right, so we are removing downvotes! Right: NOOOOO!!! I want to downvote Biden videos and cancel him! It is a little silly. YouTube was removing the downvotes manually as "spam" anyway. Removing the button is just easier for them. The view count is much more telling. It seems like they'd have to pay out more ad money to artificially pump those numb…

The way I understand cancel culture it means removing someones ability to take care of themself. For instance, getting them fired.

The response to that is people downvoting companies they no longer agree with on platforms like youtube. So what does youtube do? By removing the ability to downvote, they further strengthen cancel culture because the ability to display dissent is further decreased.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:39 PM UTC

rosmax_1337 wrote: post #50

This does not seem to me like a move to "improve the user experience", but rather to hide the public opinion about certain topics, such as politics or consumer media. Others name examples here in this thread, such as Ghostbusters (2016) and their trailers and recent Biden administration videos on the White house channel. I am curious __in a genuine way__ if someone who might consider themselves "woke left" (at the la…

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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

gnarbarian wrote: post #123

Covzire wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

YouTube was a free speech platform only as long as it took to establish dominance. Now it's just another corporate megaphone with an inconvenient independent creator problem they are slowly solving by making it an intolerable place to have dissenting opinions. Can't question the election, can't question coronavirus. Big Google decides what is acceptable and keeps the rules and process vague, inscrutable, and opaque s…

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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by RandallBrown » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:40 PM UTC

retsibsi wrote: post #115

EricE wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first mistake was thinking that you are the user they care about serving :p

Oh I know, I am pretty cynical and not exactly outraged here. But although they don't care about what's good for us, they do care about what will keep us on the platform. And if it gets harder to find good stuff and filter out the dross, that could conceivably have negative consequences for YouTube in the long run.

They probably think that dislikes aren't actually a good signal for whether or not a video is relevant to a uer.

Crappy videos could automatically be filtered out of their search and recommendations because people abandon them early. They may have determined that's enough to help user's find what they need.

It also helps the issue of dislike brigading since you won't be able to "dislike" a video at all.

Not sure if that's the right move or not but I don't think it's necessarily a bad one.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by JetAlone » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:42 PM UTC

jfrunyon wrote: post #112

It's supposedly about "creator well-being", which I basically read as creators get downvote brigaded and get upset. Which is simultaneously silly, and also will still happen because they're still going to show the dislike count to the creator. ???

I agree, I think the main point is to not show the dislike count to the viewer rather than hiding the information from the viewer and this was a convenient way to frame it... Though, trying to steelman it, this change may push the dislike count one click deeper in the interface. If only the creator knows, they are free from screenshots of the ratio being presented publically. It's still a stifling of the masses' ability to express and view negative review and dissent, definitely not worth it in my view, even if there are benefits to creator mental health.