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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by crocodiletears »

ravenstine wrote: post #5

How else is the mainstream supposed to spin reality? Entertainment giants used to more easily create the illusion of consensus, but web platforms like YouTube completely mess with their power by showing downvotes.

This was my first thought as well. There have been several occasions (News content and Youtube Rewinds comes to mind) where youtube actively suppresses or promotes content in-line with it or its advertiser's interests, and hides anything with a countervailing sentiments. The like ratio in conjunction with the view count has always been a good signalling mechanism for the purposes of identifying these instances.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by jfrunyon »

It's supposedly about "creator well-being", which I basically read as creators get downvote brigaded and get upset. Which is simultaneously silly, and also will still happen because they're still going to show the dislike count to the creator. ???

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by EricE »

twic wrote: post #61

I have a much sillier reason for disliking this change, which is that there is a charming part of YouTube culture where people attempt to explain a small number of downvotes on an otherwise popular video in a witty way. For example, on a recent piece of Imperial propaganda [1] with 100K upvotes and 935 downvotes, we find the comment: > 930 heretics and counting... This one isn't laugh-out-loud funny, maybe raises a g…

Ah, if we only were allowed to - gasp - have fun on the internet.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by retsibsi »

EricE wrote: post #92
retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Your first mistake was thinking that you are the user they care about serving :p

Oh I know, I am pretty cynical and not exactly outraged here. But although they don't care about what's good for us, they do care about what will keep us on the platform. And if it gets harder to find good stuff and filter out the dross, that could conceivably have negative consequences for YouTube in the long run.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by panny »

Covzire wrote: post #22
ravenstine wrote: post #5

How else is the mainstream supposed to spin reality? Entertainment giants used to more easily create the illusion of consensus, but web platforms like YouTube completely mess with their power by showing downvotes.

Smells political alright. The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration. Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base. This is another brick in the wall that is Yout…

To me this sounds like,

Right: Cancel culture is bad!

Youtube: You're right, so we are removing downvotes!

Right: NOOOOO!!! I want to downvote Biden videos and cancel him!

It is a little silly. YouTube was removing the downvotes manually as "spam" anyway. Removing the button is just easier for them. The view count is much more telling. It seems like they'd have to pay out more ad money to artificially pump those numbers, so they don't do that.

>Content creators of all stripes are absolutely desperate for an alternative platform.

I'm working on something like this. If you have features you think are must have, please list them.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by EricE »

MattGaiser wrote: post #100
Hammershaft wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Youtube is removing dislikes because of white house vids that average out less than ~25000 views each?

A lot of people think their particular political angle is of great importance to everyone else.

And have thin skin and zero tolerance for dissenting opinions. Hence the blanket removal of the disagree :p

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by [deleted] »

EricE wrote: post #66
Hammershaft wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Youtube is removing dislikes because of white house vids that average out less than ~25000 views each?

Not just the white house. There's wholesale rejection that is embarrassing and counter to the messaging being pushed my the media and cultural elites. Disney with the Gina Corano firing has been a huge source of continued embarrassment. Widespread rejection of woke takeovers of popular culture in general are problematic so no, I'm not surprised downvotes are getting remove universally. Much easier to hide reality whe…

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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by jfrunyon »

ciex wrote: post #105
Hammershaft wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Youtube is removing dislikes because of white house vids that average out less than ~25000 views each?

They are removing dislikes because dislikes bring negativity to the YouTube space. Imagine what getting dislikes feels like when you have put your heart into a video. People expressing their disapproval without a qualifying comment is not constructive.

Dislikes are not meant to be constructive. They're meant to warn others that a video may not be worth watching.

I'm not sure why you're expecting your viewers to be your reviewers.

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