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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While technically true, showing the Like/Dislike count provided valuable information for viewers. Determining whether or not a video is worth my time will become a lot more difficult.

I'd argue that HN got better after they hid the karma (net of 1 + up - down) on a per-comment basis (even though I was initially opposed to the change at the time). They can still use like/dislike metrics to decide which videos to offer you and in what sort order, so there's still some signal available.

HN still fades text if a comment is below a certain threshold.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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How else is the mainstream supposed to spin reality? Entertainment giants used to more easily create the illusion of consensus, but web platforms like YouTube completely mess with their power by showing downvotes.

Smells political alright.

The Biden admin disabled comments on all official The White House channel videos pretty quickly into their administration.

Most videos have a tremendously high dislike to like ratio, the most recent is 3.4K dislikes to 205 likes. I don't know who they expect to consume their Youtube content but it apparently isn't the establishment's voter base.

This is another brick in the wall that is Youtube that just fell out if you ask me. Content creators of all stripes are absolutely desperate for an alternative platform.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Seems to be a visibility-only change to a small cohort of users. Tangentially, I've often wanted a third button, call it "disinterested". This would just tell YouTube not to recommend more of the same for me, without adjusting the ratio of votes up or down. There are many videos I don't actively dislike (I might not have any strong feelings) I just don't want YouTube to recommend more cats with laugh tracks after I c…

Youtube does have a somewhat-hidden "Not Interested" option - on the homepage, when looking at recommendations, under the three-dots kebab menu. It also has a "Don't recommend channel" option there too, which I aggressively use to remove content I don't want, like the compilation clip content farms.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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It's because of what happens when the White House forgets to disable comments and dislikes. https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/359823/former...

There's a site tracking these, some of the stats on older videos with high views are crazy (down the page):

https://81m.org

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Seems to be a visibility-only change to a small cohort of users. Tangentially, I've often wanted a third button, call it "disinterested". This would just tell YouTube not to recommend more of the same for me, without adjusting the ratio of votes up or down. There are many videos I don't actively dislike (I might not have any strong feelings) I just don't want YouTube to recommend more cats with laugh tracks after I c…

It’s under the three dots icons at your overview page.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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This seems deceptive more than anything else. If a content creator doesn't want their videos to be rated they can disable like/dislike ratings entirely. But to remove public dislikes across the entire site takes away a valuable indicator of video quality. Like/Dislike ratio can also express approval and disapproval for the subject itself, which is also valuable.

> But to remove public dislikes across the entire site takes away a valuable indicator of video quality.

Indeed. Which means you'd have to watch the ads (oh, right, there's also a video involved) to determine that the content was garbage.

If you can tell without watching a video that it's trash, you might not watch it - which is opposed to YouTube's goal of increasing total video hours watched. Or, at least, their short term goal of making sure people watch stuff (I suspect the long term effects of making people watch more low grade nonsense won't show up in this quarter's growth numbers, which means it's Someone Else's Problem - get promoted and go do something else, it's the Google Way).

Despite all the claims from Google and YouTube about how they're trying to promote certain content and reduce exposure to others, it's a reasonable bet that their algorithms still don't understand much of anything about a video beyond "Oh, hey, people who watch this video watch more related videos later, so the more people I show it to, the more those people will watch, which increases hours watched!"

So, presumably, "dislikes" interfered with people watching more video. Remove the dislikes, problem solved. At least for their definition of "problem" and "solved."

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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It's quickly getting to the point where being exposed to youtube at all just opens you up to a ton of intentional manipulation from an organization who's entire product is manipulating people for pay. It's probably best to completely avoid all of it.

I could not repair half the things I have learned to repair without Youtube. 100% worth having to look out for manipulative antifeatures, in my book.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #20
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This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

I agree that removing public dislikes is a pretty bad idea, but it's not that important of a tool in fighting misleading videos. I mean, there was once a HUGE glut of videos with misleading thumbnails/titles, and what stopped the glut was not dislikes, but rather Youtube's use of watch time as an important metric.

Fair point, but I think downvotes have been useful to me relatively recently. Fake videos may not show up in recommendation feeds, but they still appear in search results don't they? (And if you're searching for something relatively obscure, you can realistically hit the bottom of the barrel, rather than only seeing the more highly rated results.)
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