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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by amznthrwaway »

bobthechef wrote: post #191
EricE wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not outraged - I'm amused. The ultimate admission the only way they can spread their messaging is through force, not honest competition of ideas. How superior. Nothing proves you have a worthy argument better than outright hiding from dissent. Again, they don't care if you stay on the platform. If they did, they wouldn't touch it. The disagreement buttons were added in the first place because they increase and ma…

> The ultimate admission the only way they can spread their messaging is through force, not honest competition of ideas. How superior. > Nothing proves you have a worthy argument better than outright hiding from dissent. I don't know the general trends across YouTube or why they would do this. Certainly, they've also been silencing views they and certain influential groups advising them don't like, and I've seen vide…

Get professional help. You are mentally unwell.

Fuck you, and fuck your anti-semitism.

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Post by blargathon »

Let's consider them as market forces. Likes are internet currency. In that context dislikes are a secondary currency that doesn't have a clear value. Dislikes tend to depend on the content and current cultural norms to determine why the dislike was added. Their value is not easily determined. For a controversial creator a dislike may actually be a badge of honor. For a DIY creator it's a major negative. Due to this apparent ambiguity in the value of dislikes and what they mean I don't find them worth while.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by darepublic »

How about someone creates a network of users that are vetted in some way to basically be 'honest' actors and not bots, then they use a browser extension that lets you view and input likes and dislikes for content across the internet independently of what the site provides. Will stop bot-ing/gaming of system if it works. Also if network is small enough even a couple of plus votes could be enough for you to 'trust' that it has a genuine positive review from a reasonable person.

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Post by nullsense »

toast0 wrote: post #43
JasonFruit wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could not repair half the things I have learned to repair without Youtube. 100% worth having to look out for manipulative antifeatures, in my book.

I'm happy for the content in any form, but a bunch of things would be easier with a wall of text and a couple pictures I could scroll through. Don't forget to like and subscribe and support me on patreon.

My 5 year old often tells me to like and subscribe to his channel.

He doesn't have one.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by retsibsi »

EricE wrote: post #190
retsibsi wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Again, they don't care if you stay on the platform. Why not? Even if you're right that they care more about propaganda than money, what's the point of propagandising to an empty room?

If logic were involved we wouldn't be having a discussion about removing dislikes in the first place, no? :)

Come on, I'm trying not to dismiss your perspective just because it sounds a bit conspiratorial, but this is not convincing. Are you saying the YouTube execs (or whoever is leaning on them) are just acting emotionally with no strategy?

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Post by mobjack »

kashprime wrote: post #165

There’s been something wonky about YouTube downvotes for a little while now. If you go any children’s video (I have two toddlers so am accessing them all the time), downvotes often outstrip upvotes. The reasons are unclear, maybe competitive pressure from rival channels astroturfing the votes? Take a look at this[0] video from Sesame Street, 1.3m downvotes for a fairly decent educational video, vs 1.7m upvotes? How i…

I used to wonder about the same thing then I saw my toddler accidentally hit the downvote button.

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Post by UweSchmidt »

ravenstine wrote: post #5

How else is the mainstream supposed to spin reality? Entertainment giants used to more easily create the illusion of consensus, but web platforms like YouTube completely mess with their power by showing downvotes.

Back in the day there was a way to replay to a video with another video. It felt very democratic and subversive to the "consensus" you describe.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by Syonyk »

DharmaPolice wrote: post #209
Syonyk wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what are the opportunity costs of learning stuff on YouTube, especially if you're watching hours of content? There is good stuff in there - don't get me wrong. It's just that the good stuff you want to find is often quite hidden, and I've on occasion spent more time trying to find some video that actually shows a tricky part of some bit of equipment maintenance than it would take to just do things the slow way (t…

I don't really see YouTube as an alternative to books. Where video shines is in shorter instructional practical stuff. Sure, if I want to understand the underlying mechanism of something then I'll read-up on it but usually I don't need that kind of knowledge. I just want to watch someone do the task I'm about to do. For anything IT related I usually dislike video guides as they're so slow to get to the point. But tha…

> When you say "Use an awful lot less data" - is that still an issue most of the time? That's depressing.

I don't see a particular point in pulling down a few hundred megabytes that contains radically less actual useful content than a megabyte or two of compressed text and images. HN is particularly nice on that front, as the pages are tiny and gzip down to a rounding error (this reply page is a whopping 15kb of transfer). They don't load half a Windows 95 worth of tracking Javascript either.

Up until fairly recently, I had two rural WISP connections that mostly didn't meet rated speeds during the day, were borderline unusable during the evening (that Netflix can stream video tolerably on a lossy 1-2Mbit connection is quite impressive, the few times we tried it), and despite that have been working remotely full time on those connections.

I'd signed up for the Starlink beta some months back, and we have that as our secondary connection now (it's still exceedingly erratic - I'll go from 5Mbit to 150Mbit and back over the course of a minute and then it'll break my connections as there's no satellite overhead - but this is the point of a beta, and it's better than the 5/1 that mostly delivered about 3/0.5). I like it, but the power consumption on the dish is quite obscene. It idles a hair under 100W, and consumes 2.2kWh/day, per my measurements. I hope that improves over time.

It's not that I can't transfer a lot of data, it's just that I prefer not to when I can avoid it. And, there are, often enough, times when it simply won't work. Not a big deal, we live out here willingly, but, yes, it's still a thing. I keep a cheap cell plan too, because I just don't need to be streaming content on my phone.

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