Could DeepSeek and OpenAI swap names?
OpenSeek and DeepAI?
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DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days
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The laws of economics apply just as much to AI as they do to humans, if anything AI is an even better (more rational) homo economicus. Even if AI wiped out all humans, the AIs would still need a monetary system for trading among themselves.
Would they need to trade once they figure out how to generate energy for nearly free and thus obtain anything? Trading is for the resource limited.
Resources still need to be allocated. Even by the AI itself. At some point a group of neurons will “argue” for more resources, and then within that group a subgroup will, and so forth. Hence the paperclip maximizes…
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Semianalysis is a trusted and reputable source that has deep knowledge of the semiconductor industry and supply chains. So yes, they know. > love your joke! > Get a real life please. > Too bad that you didn't learn this back in school. Read the site guidelines, as you’re repeatedly resorting to personal attacks in your comments on discussions around DeepSeek or China. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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I have a more practical view: there's nothing wrong in making profit, the important thing is that they are also doing some good.
> As though you rendered the proletarians a service in first sucking out their very life-blood and then practicing your self-complacent, Pharisaic philanthropy upon them, placing yourselves before the world as mighty benefactors of humanity when you give back to the plundered victims the hundredth part of what belongs to them! Friedrich Engels: The Condition of the Working-class in England
I'm not familiar with Engel's view, but my gut feeling here is that he was complaining about the way profit was made ("sucking out their very life-blood") and not about profit itself. But, even if he somehow saw profit as something bad regardless of how it is made, I would still disagree. It is definitely possible to make profit without exploiting people.
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> The reality is that DeepSeek is a full company, that was funded as a spin-off from the original business (a hedge fund that used its large GPU stockpile to pick stocks via ML). The company DeepSeek is owned by the hedge fund CEO not the hedge fund. It exists as a business aiming to make money, not as a pet project for another business. Of course they want money, lots of money, tons of money is required for hiring e…
Zuckerberg, who is also a developer, and countless other CEOs are listed on many patents from their companies. Doesn’t mean they actually had a strong input in the invention. No business exists not to make money because that is a charity. It’s not a charity, because a charity is not a business, and DeepSeek is a business. I don’t care to quibble about how interesting they are in being a lucrative business, but simply…
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Rather than a foundation for their products, I think they're just trying to make it impossible for new competitors to enter that market because if when all the biggest models are open-sourced, a new player can't convince investors to bring billions on the table as there's nothing to monetize – the alternative is free. Why enter the market now when AI is already commoditized? DeepSeek is making US investors regrets in…
that's a good thing, no? Foundation Models aren't defensible. It'll force VCs to allocate on other stuff (the new buzz is "the application layer")
Open-source does very little good if no one actually contribute to the code except the company who controls it and no one else has the means to participate (other than taking the code as-it-is).
The giant players are more than happy to keep their models open if no one even tries to compete.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~~ Goethe
Re: DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days
#227Wasn't it caught already sending data to China in a sneaky way? Why using it for anything?
Reference supporting precisely that: https://www.wired.com/story/deepseek-ai-china-privacy-data/
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#228Am I the only one excited for the release but not overanalyzing their words? This thread feels full of personal interpretations. DeepSeek is still a business—great release, but expectations and motivations seem inflated.
Probably it's because there's nothing specific here to discuss. In the absence of specific new information, discussions turn generic [1] and that tends to make for shallow/indignant discussion. That's one reason why an announcement of announcement (like "Starting next week, we'll open-source 5 repos") is off topic on HN [2].
The releases themselves may turn out to be interesting, of course, and then there may be something substantive to have a thread about. The best submission would be to pick the most interesting release once it shows up.
The "launch week" pattern isn't great for HN, because we end up with a bunch of follow-ups that we have to downweight [3], and there's no guarantee that the largest thread(s) will be about the most interesting element(s) in the sequence. But startups do it anyway so we'll adapt.
[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
[3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
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From https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/ > We believe DeepSeek has access to around 10,000 of these H800s and about 10,000 H100s. Furthermore they have orders for many more H20’s, with Nvidia having produced over 1 million of the China specific GPU in the last 9 months.
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Hey, could you please make your points without resorting to the flamewar style? You've done that repeatedly in this thread, as well as in other threads recently (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43035040). This is not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. The basic idea is to make your substantive points thoughtfully, regardless of how wrong anyone else is or you feel they are.
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Please don't do this here. It's against the site guidelines and just makes the threads worse.