duckduckgo also have one, so not sure if this makes a difference
DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days
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#212I really admire their mindset of striving for the betterment of humanity. There was a time when OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Musk used to talk with that same lofty vision. But now, they've all shifted to competing for national interests instead, which is honestly quite disappointing.
Striving for the betterment of humanity, or striving for their peer technology competitor to have their intellectual property moat atom-bombed? I don't think altruism has any real role in this.
Really it just shows the beauty of market competition.
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#213Could DeepSeek and OpenAI swap names?
OpenSeek and DeepAI?
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#214Kinda interesting to see where the moat is in AI space. Good base models can always distilled when you have access to API. System prompts can get leaked, and UI tricks can be copied. In the end, the moat might be in the hardware and vertical integration.
there is no open source alternative to GPU farm, that's the moat that's why they can open source their model and be fine because running this shit is actually hard, let alone maintaining SLA for millions of users??
How long until laptops are able to run high end models? What's the use case that requires a server farm for end user's?
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
why you have thought like this? it's not how it works in China The Chinese government only supports companies that are in line with industrial policies and are facing difficulties that require assistance. This is because such companies struggle to obtain financing from the society. The aim is to support the entire industry, not a specific company. If a company holds a leading position, it does not need to receive any…
> The Chinese government only supports companies that are in line with industrial policies and are facing difficulties that require assistance So, like, for example, AI companies who are very upfront about not being able to get their hands on as many chips as they'd like?
in this case, it's domestic chip manufacturers are getting support from government
government is not good at smuggling chips without getting attention, better try to contact some dealers in singapore or malaysia
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, it’s a highly effective PR tactic that works well for the small fish. You say your competition is too selfish and you just want to help people and it creates a bunch of goodwill you can use to grow. Once you grow, your view on things changes, and you’re able to be more selfish. It’s not guaranteed things will go that way, but it’s certainly true that this is a good PR tactic for new entrants in to a crowded fie…
Yes, it is PR. While individuals can be altruistic visionaries, shareholders will protest any action that is not in the company's interest. For a smaller player, open-sourcing might be a strategic move. It would likely go unnoticed if a small Chinese company released a model "almost as good as" ones from the top US players. But releasing it as open source is a game-changer. However, open source isn't just for small p…
Well said + Thanks!
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#217God bless the DeepSeek team with more innovative ideas to share with us all!
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…
Look past what he says and into what is actually happening. He is actively helping take health care from poor people. He is firing thousands of people with families, mortgages and medical bills without cause. He is closing our national parks. All so he can personally have a tax cut. His ex-wife is frantically posting for him to help with the healthcare of their own son in his replies. He can't even manage his family…
I believe it's quite easy to look at any humans actions and cherry pick a narrative of malfeasance or malice if that's what you're looking for.
Musk does a lot of things at a very high level publicly so I think it's an even easier task. I'm sure you'll disagree but I believe it's this false narrative and who's creating it that you should be doubting.
Many people don't have a problem with a lot of what Musk has done. He's not perfect and does make mistakes which he openly admits like any sane rational person should. I do believe his good intent is there and he generally tries to right wrongs.
I'm watching closely what he does and sometimes I have my doubts. If I ever see him actually cross a line I'll change my mind. For now, most of the narrative has been pretty typical fake news and timeless partisan disagreement on methods of governance.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
there is no open source alternative to GPU farm, that's the moat that's why they can open source their model and be fine because running this shit is actually hard, let alone maintaining SLA for millions of users??
How long until laptops are able to run high end models? What's the use case that requires a server farm for end user's?
maybe next 5 - 10 years??? but even then the frontier would be push further and people would get used to lets say 10 trillion model cloud host and using 600B model would feel stupid
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#220Remember when OpenAI was doing this:
"OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41534474
Not only did DeepSeek opensource their model, they also showed the user chain-of-thought right up front, which everyone else rushed to emulate when they saw how much users liked it.