In fact they are totally dismantling OpenAI. Most likely, without any intention on their part. LLMs have been more legitimate "blockchain" when most CIO magazines had these essays with "What's your blockchain strategy?" kind of stuffed material. AI bubble will burst and will burst hard. By end of 2026 at max.
DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days
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And before you get carried away, let's wait and see. A chinese company making claims of just open source is hard to buy, specially in era of making fake promises in the beginning.
The CPC seem to be encouraging open source, gitee (Chinese github) is run by the government.
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#194I really admire their mindset of striving for the betterment of humanity. There was a time when OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Musk used to talk with that same lofty vision. But now, they've all shifted to competing for national interests instead, which is honestly quite disappointing.
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I think DeepSeek is trying to push the idea that LLMs are not marketable products themselves, but are a part of the 'digital commons', as in a hard to develop and maintain software which in of itself does not produce value, but can be the foundation of a product that does. This is very similar to what Facebook is doing with Llama, or what is going on with big open source projects, like databases or the Linux kernel.…
Rather than a foundation for their products, I think they're just trying to make it impossible for new competitors to enter that market because if when all the biggest models are open-sourced, a new player can't convince investors to bring billions on the table as there's nothing to monetize – the alternative is free. Why enter the market now when AI is already commoditized? DeepSeek is making US investors regrets in…
Foundation Models aren't defensible. It'll force VCs to allocate on other stuff (the new buzz is "the application layer")
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As though you rendered the proletarians a service in first sucking out their very life-blood and then practicing your self-complacent, Pharisaic philanthropy upon them, placing yourselves before the world as mighty benefactors of humanity when you give back to the plundered victims the hundredth part of what belongs to them! Friedrich Engels: The Condition of the Working-class in England
It feels really odd seeing Engels' quotes used like this. The focus of Engels' criticism when he made these statements was on *capitalist production relations*, where capitalists control the means of production and obtain profits by exploiting the surplus labor time of workers. This is precisely what DeepSeek and open-source initiatives are challenging. They are turning the means of production from the private proper…
Regardless of free software, capitalists control the means of production and obtain profits by exploiting the surplus labor time of workers.
Free software may make it more obvious though, at least for some.
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#197Re: DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days
#198I really admire their mindset of striving for the betterment of humanity. There was a time when OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Musk used to talk with that same lofty vision. But now, they've all shifted to competing for national interests instead, which is honestly quite disappointing.
To me it's notable that Chinese government didn't care (or know) about this going open source.
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#199In fact they are totally dismantling OpenAI. Most likely, without any intention on their part. LLMs have been more legitimate "blockchain" when most CIO magazines had these essays with "What's your blockchain strategy?" kind of stuffed material. AI bubble will burst and will burst hard. By end of 2026 at max.
Doesn't OpenAI have like 400M weekly active users now?
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Why not for now just applaud them for their actions rather than focus on some potential 3rd order plan? Who knows what any of then might do in the future? For now I'm cheering for Deepseek, Meta and anyone publishing open models as I strongly believe that the potential "danger" of AI in the hands of everyone is far outstripped by the concrete dangers of AI dictated by a select small group of corps/gov symbionts.
The answer lies in the question I responded to. The commenter lauded the positive effects of Deepseek’s actions and lamented the loss of such positivity from OpenAI. But it’s important to understand that this didn’t happen by chance. These things happen because underdogs benefit more from goodwill than secrecy and selfishness, while established players benefit from dominance and control. If we ignore that, we will le…
I wish it was easier to learn about media literacy