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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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This is too complex to summarize in one sentence, especially after parts of the US political right have adopted the tactics of the extreme left. But summarizing, the hundreds of people who have lost their jobs over false allegations of e.g. racism or different forms of political incorrectness - such as quoting certain texts during a History lecture - would not agree with you. Thankfully they weren’t thrown in prison…

> Thankfully they weren’t thrown in prison or executed for it this time. > In 2017, 19-year old Croxteth resident Chelsea Russell quoted a line from Snap Dogg's song "I'm Trippin'" on her Instagram page. The line, which read "Kill a snitch nigga, rob a rich nigga", was copied from a friend's page as part of a tribute to Frankie Murphy who was killed in a car accident at age 13. Hate crime investigators were alerted t…

This was ridiculous but she did successfully appeal her conviction.

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Hetre are some numbers: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran... Unclear how many of the kids who receive hormones end up getting surgery.

So a miniscule number, and one where the best approach to reducing it further is to encourage the use of puberty blockers to prevent getting to the stage where it is the best option until they are better able to give consent. And yet you're arguing for denying them the option that'd reduce the demand for these surgeries.

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It "might be said" but that makes no sense to anyone who knew firmly what their gender identity was from early childhood. The norm is around 4 years of age. It also makes no sense given that dysphoria does disappear for a portion of patients irrespective of which hormones they're on. As well as for those on puberty blockers. The entire point of puberty blockers is allow for delaying the decision on going on hormones…

The dysphoria actually dissolves in most cases, not just in a few cases. And the hormone blockers allegedly also prevent the dysphoria from dissolving in many cases.Hormone blockers also have severe side effects, even possible sterilisation.

Since most people end up not actually being trans, more people are now hurt by pushing transitioning as the solution for everything.

And you absolutely can not deny that it is being pushed.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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I assume these satanic panic cases happened everywhere. In New Zealand, we had a kindergarten teacher who was convinced of preforming satanic rituals in a medieval style torture chamber in the basement of the kindergarten, There was even a network of secret tunnels. The building didn't even have a basement. That fact alone should have been a large enough clue that four-year-old kids can be unreliable witnesses if mis…

Yes there was one in the Netherlands. But thankfully we don't have the jury system so no lynch mob justice.

It really makes me angry because this makes people hesitate to report real reports of child abuse.

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But we just read that kids were indeed made to believe they had been used for satanic rituals. There is still no good surgery available. It is a crime to pretend the surgeries work.

Made to believe they had, yes, not actually used. The lack of good surgery options does not mean they don't help. If anything the fact that regret rates for transition is well below the regret rates for other cosmetic surgery should be a strong indication that if you actually care about patient wellbeing, it's the other kinds of cosmetic surgery you ought to be focusing on.

Citations? If you look into the actual studies, the picture may not be so clear cut. For example a lot if results actually only taje older people into account (who transitioned when they were older).

What analogy do you see to the satanic cult thing? Children were told they had been abused, and many caregivers were being sentenced. Who is being told what in the trans hype? Children are falsely being told they are not trans? Then they falsely believe they are not trans and accuse their doctors? Or how does the analogy work?

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They are not suspected to, they have been caught in consensual acts, they were caught red handed to be hypocrites. A gay person isn't a hypocrite for being gay, a gay person condemning and harming other gay people is a hypocrite.

And I suppose those who harm gay people by bullying them and publicly shaming them deserve everything that's coming to them, especially if they're doing from a hypocritical and misguided delusion of righteousness... Again missing the point. It isn't a challenge to defend oneself, it's an invitation to reflect. Less talking, more thinking.

Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied.

They are facing the consequences of purposefully breaking the social contract by harming LGBT people.

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

Children don't receive elective surgery. It's just not a thing, in any medical guidelines or ethics rules, anywhere in the country. Older teens, _extremely rarely_, are allowed to have top surgery, but it's case by case. Children _can_ receive puberty blockers, which _by definition_ are 100% completely reversible. The process to start treatment is universally difficult and involves multiple years of therapy and concu…

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

Children don't receive elective surgery. It's just not a thing, in any medical guidelines or ethics rules, anywhere in the country. Older teens, _extremely rarely_, are allowed to have top surgery, but it's case by case. Children _can_ receive puberty blockers, which _by definition_ are 100% completely reversible. The process to start treatment is universally difficult and involves multiple years of therapy and concu…

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No it hasn't been shown time and time again. Look into the actual studies, and not just into the ones the trans lobby presents. The issue here is manipulation of children. If children were fed tons of harmful pain blockers, there would be a "panic", too.

Kids get fed mountains of acetaminophen every year. Why do you suppose that acetaminophen packages have prominent warnings about not exceeding dosages? It's because acetaminophen is extremely hepatotoxic at levels not very far above the recommended dosages. > Hepatic injury and subsequent hepatic failure due to both intentional and non-intentional overdose of acetaminophen (APAP) has affected patients for decades, an…

Are you saying doctors routinely overprescripe Tylenol, but they never err when they prescribe puberty blockers? Because of science?
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