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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by zrail »

transcoderx wrote: post #95
altacc wrote: post #90

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Risks are comparative, moral panic is not and ignores this. Banning something because it is not 100% harmless is just not something that is done without extra considerations, such as a moralizing. E.g. Pain killers cause significantly more societal harm than puberty blockers but are still widely available. As to the real risks, time and again it has been shown that the comparative risks of a) receiving puberty blocke…

No it hasn't been shown time and time again. Look into the actual studies, and not just into the ones the trans lobby presents. The issue here is manipulation of children. If children were fed tons of harmful pain blockers, there would be a "panic", too.

Kids get fed mountains of acetaminophen every year. Why do you suppose that acetaminophen packages have prominent warnings about not exceeding dosages?

It's because acetaminophen is extremely hepatotoxic at levels not very far above the recommended dosages.

> Hepatic injury and subsequent hepatic failure due to both intentional and non-intentional overdose of acetaminophen (APAP) has affected patients for decades, and [...] remains a global issue; in the United States, in particular, it accounts for more than 50% of overdose-related acute liver failure and approximately 20% of the liver transplant cases.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4913076/

I would assert that acetaminophen is far more likely to be dangerous to far more children than puberty blockers and yet I don't see any moral panic over children's Tylenol.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by account42 »

Timon3 wrote: post #108
marvin wrote: post #67

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This is too complex to summarize in one sentence, especially after parts of the US political right have adopted the tactics of the extreme left. But summarizing, the hundreds of people who have lost their jobs over false allegations of e.g. racism or different forms of political incorrectness - such as quoting certain texts during a History lecture - would not agree with you. Thankfully they weren’t thrown in prison…

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by MrPatan »

pigsty wrote: post #125
MrPatan wrote: post #122

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No. It's all about children. Nobody cares what adults do between themselves. Nopbody did, nobody does. Read all those "panic" stories again. It's about the children. Leave them alone.

Every invented moral panic is about “the children.” Rock music, Jewish people “corrupting” the youth, satanists, trans people. It’s sad that people still buy into these stories meant to outrage people and seed divide, anger, and violence. And it’s always pushed by people with clear political and financial agendas picking fringe extreme and uncommon examples pretending it’s everywhere. Someday you’ll forget this was e…

Nope. What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago?

The difference with the others is that you can stop liking dumb edgy stuff when you grow up, but you can't grow new tits.

As for the financial agenda... yeah, exactly. Just follow the money. What did you find?

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by account42 »

mpweiher wrote: post #78
becquerel wrote: post #47

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george floyd was killed in the street like an animal and florida is trying to ban trans people from existing in public.

1. The murderer was tried and convicted. Society did not back him. The criminal justice system did not back him. 2. More unarmed white people are killed by police than unarmed black people. So are whites the oppressed group? ( 3. Bringing up George Floyd as "proof" for wokist ideas is exactly evidence for a moral panic, because it appeals purely to emotion with complete disregard of and in contradiction to the actual…

> 4. Trans people are more free than they have been in history, and there is no societal movement to "ban" them from "existing". That is just the hyperbolic language of catastrophization that is one of the common and extremely tiresome tactics. Society has some laws and customs that segregate the sexes, largely to protect women. In many of these areas, trans-women can be and are accommodated, but some are sensitive and rightly contested.

They are so "oppressed" in fact that when one of them shoots up three kids plus three teachers plenty people and government institutions will be quick to point out that there are seven victims. What other mass shooter gets that that kind of sympathy.

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Post by heavyset_go »

MrPatan wrote: post #117
Timon3 wrote: post #39

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You just made a wild jump. Do you think hormones are a type of surgery?

They are a type of procedure with irreversible life-altering consequences that somehow you think children can consent to.

If they can't consent to this, then they can't consent to almost any surgery. They even couldn't consent to getting braces.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #123
shrikant wrote: post #103

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There's this website cataloguing such hypocrites for nearly 20 years running now -- https://gayhomophobe.com/

Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

"Suspected homosexuals" and proven hypocrites who hurt LGBT people with their rhetoric and actions are two vastly different things. Precision is important.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by account42 »

klyrs wrote: post #11
the_doctah wrote: post #9

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I think it's more about the children having radical surgery backed by zero scientific research. Couldn't care less what adults want do to themselves.

People believing that masses of children are literally getting surgery, circumcision notwithstanding, is a result of a persistent campaign to cause panic. And it's the same hucksters selling fear to the same religious reactionaries. New day, new apocalyptic scapegoat.

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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by pigsty »

MrPatan wrote: post #133
pigsty wrote: post #125

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Every invented moral panic is about “the children.” Rock music, Jewish people “corrupting” the youth, satanists, trans people. It’s sad that people still buy into these stories meant to outrage people and seed divide, anger, and violence. And it’s always pushed by people with clear political and financial agendas picking fringe extreme and uncommon examples pretending it’s everywhere. Someday you’ll forget this was e…

Nope. What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago? The difference with the others is that you can stop liking dumb edgy stuff when you grow up, but you can't grow new tits. As for the financial agenda... yeah, exactly. Just follow the money. What did you find?

> What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago?

Because it’s an invented political scapegoat, just like countless others. Trans people were out and about 10 years ago and nobody gave a shit. I’m from a small town in Appalachia and my grandma had a trans friend that was out and open 30 years ago. They stopped by when I was a kid and we treated her as a normal human. Nobody gave a shit.

Social media told you to be angry about people that’ve been around forever. You chose to only pay attention recently and get angry.

Right wing organizations are making huge buckets of cash from donations and “anti-woke” brand campaigns targeting trans people, getting gullible people to think being trans is some new trend and they need to fight back. Normal people have known trans people for several decades and we are absolutely bewildered that people like you are suddenly outraged about people we’ve known all our lives. Same with how 15 years ago ”the gays” were going to destroy the world.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by heavyset_go »

vidarh wrote: post #114
transcoderx wrote: post #57

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They did not propose mutilating surgeries to people throughout history. Also trans people existing does not mean there can't be a mass hysteria of kids being told to transition on shoddy scientific evidence.

They did not propose surgeries because no way of doing so were available until relatively recently. And your claim of a hysteria of kids being told to transition closely mirrors the claim of kids being pressured into satanic rituals and similar. It's similarly fear driven and bigoted.

They used to/still say the same exact thing about kids being told to be gay.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by vidarh »

mpweiher wrote: post #115
zrail wrote: post #59

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Puberty blockers are not safe. That's true. Their relative risk is judged against suicide, an all too common outcome among untreated trans kids (and adults).

To judge that, we would have to have some idea whether they actually reduce the risk of suicide. "...a negative association found many years after treatment is compatible with three scenarios: puberty blockers reduced suicidal ideation; puberty blockers had no effect on suicidal ideation; puberty blockers increased suicidal ideation, albeit not enough to counteract the initial negative effect of psychological problem…

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