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Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by BowBun »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #194
piva00 wrote: post #83

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The lack of worker solidarity in tech is really astounding. I've been in this industry for almost 20 years and have been trying to instill some sense of it in every workplace I worked. Some decades ago it really seemed that tech workers felt like they were just tech moguls that hadn't made it yet, any kind of labour protection was looked at as "stifling innovation". Only lately I've seen people listen to me when I br…

Solidarity and diversity are opposing forces. Now you understand why Tech is so obsessed with diversity. There will never be the solidarity you seek while companies, to the cheers of their employees, atomize their workers as much as possible. But diversity is now a secular religion whose tenets are ever changing to keep everyone divided. Any solidarity that arises in such a religion can quickly be quashed by changing…

What are you on about? Diversity in the makeup of a group isn't the opposite of the ability for a group to unite for a common cause. Being employed in the same industry is already more than enough to practice solidarity, e.g. unions. I cannot fathom how one would bring a diversity argument against a statement like "workers deserve better protections".

Your argument sounds like a stepping stone for racism and anti-diversity rhetoric to me, and I vehemently disagree.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by fuckyc284 »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #194
piva00 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of worker solidarity in tech is really astounding. I've been in this industry for almost 20 years and have been trying to instill some sense of it in every workplace I worked. Some decades ago it really seemed that tech workers felt like they were just tech moguls that hadn't made it yet, any kind of labour protection was looked at as "stifling innovation". Only lately I've seen people listen to me when I br…

Solidarity and diversity are opposing forces. Now you understand why Tech is so obsessed with diversity. There will never be the solidarity you seek while companies, to the cheers of their employees, atomize their workers as much as possible. But diversity is now a secular religion whose tenets are ever changing to keep everyone divided. Any solidarity that arises in such a religion can quickly be quashed by changing…

Fucking whitey. Pound sand

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by fuckyc284 »

roenxi wrote: post #118
piva00 wrote: post #83

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The lack of worker solidarity in tech is really astounding. I've been in this industry for almost 20 years and have been trying to instill some sense of it in every workplace I worked. Some decades ago it really seemed that tech workers felt like they were just tech moguls that hadn't made it yet, any kind of labour protection was looked at as "stifling innovation". Only lately I've seen people listen to me when I br…

I've seen what "solidarity" did to the manufacturing industry. I'd like my job to stay in my city. And anyone in tech has a lot more to gain from efforts to break the remaining guild-like systems in medicine and law making those services more affordable and available than they do from attempts to build a new one in tech.

you are a fucktard

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by BowBun »

qwytw wrote: post #168
tfourb wrote: post #159

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Unions are the best way known to man that allows the re-distribution of profits from a small upper class (largely anointed by luck and/or heritage) to a broad segment of society. This in turn enables broad segments of society to give their children a decent education, which is the pre-requisite for society-scale innovation and (technological and social) progress. The U.S. has long profited from being able to leverage…

> Unions are the best way known to man that allows the re-distribution of profits from a small upper class Wealth inequality is still huge in Scandinavia (especially Sweden which is even worse than the US in that regard), Germany and the Benelux (especially when compared to many other European countries which might not have very strong unions..). So unions didn't really help that much with that...

Data from the World Inequality Database refutes your statement - https://wid.world/world

Every single socialist European nation (including the Scandinavian ones) has a better wealth distribution than the USA.

> So unions didn't really help that much with that...

Can you back your statement up with facts instead of hand-waving away paragraphs of meaningful discussion that came before this comment?

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by throwawayAsdFoo »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #194
piva00 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of worker solidarity in tech is really astounding. I've been in this industry for almost 20 years and have been trying to instill some sense of it in every workplace I worked. Some decades ago it really seemed that tech workers felt like they were just tech moguls that hadn't made it yet, any kind of labour protection was looked at as "stifling innovation". Only lately I've seen people listen to me when I br…

Solidarity and diversity are opposing forces. Now you understand why Tech is so obsessed with diversity. There will never be the solidarity you seek while companies, to the cheers of their employees, atomize their workers as much as possible. But diversity is now a secular religion whose tenets are ever changing to keep everyone divided. Any solidarity that arises in such a religion can quickly be quashed by changing…

> Solidarity and diversity are opposing forces.

This sentence is close to brain cancer. Diversity means accepting others amongst yours despite your differences, it's the essence of solidarity.

>But diversity is now a secular religion whose tenets are ever changing to keep everyone divided.

What you are referring to is the ever changing propaganda theater of "left" vs right, which pictures a caricature enemy stereotype, the simple minded can easily hate. "Look here a radical transgenderist!" and suddenly the whole concept of diversity is subject to scrutiny.

I think, the lesson you need to learn is not getting triggered by pink hair.

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Post by pjc50 »

th13row wrote: post #150
msm_ wrote: post #137

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I love EU and everything it stands for (even if the execution is not always perfect). Why do you want to see Europe crashing down?

Unelected bureaucrats who think they are above the citizens, too much reach, too much influence, insistence in regulating every industry and every activity. This can only end in a can a cashless mass-surveillance social credit system dystopia even worse than China. Give it a few years.

The "unelected bureaucrats" attack line was extremely effective in the UK despite having an unelected legislature and an unelected monarch.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by jonas21 »

justinclift wrote: post #58
jonas21 wrote: post #53

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How so? My understanding is that Netflix offers a wide range of compensation based on individual performance. If they didn't disclose this, they'd be violating the law.

If they're looking for someone to fill this "$900k" position, they're clearly not going to hire someone they value as "$90k". And vice versa.

I think it's more like they don't know how much you're worth, so they'll give you a chance to prove yourself. Depending on how you do, you may end up at the high end, the low end, or anywhere in between.

There's only so much signal you can get from an interview or from reading someone's resume, and that signal is often obscured by the interviewers' biases. It seems to me that this way of doing things can lead to more equitable outcomes (which is the stated goal of publishing salary ranges) as it lets you evaluate and compensate people based on performance in their actual job.

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Post by thomascarney »

tfourb wrote: post #192
thomascarney wrote: post #176

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We have get healthcare, disability pensions, pensions and care via insurance in Germany. They aren't provided via government budgets. If you earn enough or you are self employed, you can in some case opt out of the public insurances, and get private insurance.

Essentially all of these insurances are subsidized by the government and would not function without taxpayer money. Also because the insurance part is in many cases compulsory, not having these programs run on the government budget is mostly an accounting trick. The effect is essentially the same as leveling a tax it is just called differently.

In the case of health insurance, AFAIK the subsidies are the government paying on behalf of people who are insured but don't pay in (children, spouses out of the labour market, unemployed - "versicherungsfremde Leistungen") and amounts to about 14 billion out of the 280 billion paid in via employees.

My point is that we don't have "free healthcare" over here in Germany, as Americans often think. We pay in 15% of our income up to the limit into health insurance and we get ok, no-frills healthcare (shared rooms in hospitals, waiting times in big cities to see specialists) relatively equally distributed to the population.

German education systems scores slightly worse than US's system on the 2018 PISA score for what it is worth.

Re: Companies to publish salary ranges in job adverts under new EU rules

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Post by qthrowayq0909 »

oblio wrote: post #209
qthrowayq0909 wrote: post #188

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Not to state the obvious but the fact that this commend is the most upvoted in this thread kind of proves one of the premises wrong. It seems that a lot of people are for transparency (I certainly am) despite them not being too vocal about it.

When I commented all the top comments fell under "lack of solidarity, raw greed and lack of long term vision". And there were about 5-10 of them.

I'm just saying that the demographics of the audience were probably skewed in the beginning of the thread.

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Post by blibble »

piva00 wrote: post #207
blibble wrote: post #199

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ARM is not EU

It was when it was relevant. ARM right now is in shambles and outside of the EU, but for the majority of time the company existed it was in the EU.

it is more relevant today than ever before
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