Tell HN: If You Are in Russia • Hacker News Board

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by raverbashing » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:46 AM UTC

5ESS wrote: post #185

diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

How are sanctions going to make anybody more informed? They dont…That makes no sense. Instead of sanctions, a more effective strategy would be to provide Russians with free VPNs so that they can access western news media.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink it

Some people do prefer what the "voices in their head" are telling them (and while propaganda is big, it is not all of it)

Sanctions do matter as you're seeing all of Putin's acolytes feeling the heat these days

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dotancohen » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:46 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #188

dotancohen wrote: post #149

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Thre is no systematic murder in Ukraine. But this is how the UN defines genocide: > a. Killing members of the group; > b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; > d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > e. Forcibly transferring childre…

Where are those credible reports?

Completely buried in anti-Russian and pro-Ukrainian propaganda.

I'm not pro-Putin or pro-Russia, but I'm looking at things objectively. If I had a browser history I could pull them from there but now the search engines are inundated with propaganda and I cannot find them. It is too late to get objective facts right now, unfortunately.

It is scary how facts become "facts" and now for you it is heresay from some random HN poster (me). Disinformation campaigns are effective.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by cleancoder0 » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:46 AM UTC

darebak wrote: post #171

cleancoder0 wrote: post #151

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Yeah, technically it was the head of Yugoslavia that started a war with Slovenia the moment it left the federation (after Croatia left too). Luckily, war lasted 10 days. Not Serbia, I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War NATO bombing was not out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man (to Putin), just warring out of desperation. The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Monte…

>NATO bombing was not really out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man, just warring out of desperation. Nobody said it was out of the blue, but it was illegal, wrong and plain terrorist like. >The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Montenegro split from Serbia without any issues. How did this happen? Lucikly, the mad man died in 2000. And the best proof of NATO lunacy is that Kosov…

> Also Milošević died in 2006.

Yeah, I guess he stopped existing in 2000 and had nothing to do with the peaceful referendum.

> Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force.

How can you believe this? Which part of Ukraine declared independence? What country was supposed to be created out of this independence? Which leaders decided they wanted to create a new independent territory?

> I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries.

Well, if your country is in EU, the citizens of EU are not forced to learn any language, even if they live outside of their country of origin. Language requirements for non-EU exist due to EU being an extremely lucrative place to live. Moving to Serbia and trying to hop on social benefits will not be as lucrative, so language requirement for citizenship might be unnecessary.

> It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote.

In Croatia and Kosovo, there is no low percentage threshold. You are automatically in. There's no reason to believe the threshold is achievable, given that people in general do not vote.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by wadim » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #193

rimliu wrote: post #187

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How good are people being bombed in Ukraine cities feel? Only the Russian people can stop this.

Ever lived under a dictator? Ever tried to stop him from doing something? Ever done either of the above while having a family you care about? At the end of the day, no sane person would place their family in mortal danger to maybe possibly potentially make life easier for a large number of unknown far away people.

Didn't all of humanity at some point? Ukraine being a more recent example. And here we are, living in mostly free and democratic countries. Weird how that happened.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ajuc » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

Basically Russia becomes North Korea or Putin dies.

It's sad, but honestly, Russians tolerated the situation for far too long and the externalities were paid by everybody around them.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Closi » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

namecheapTA wrote: post #104

randomsearch wrote: post #31

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This is whataboutism and it is so tired. A good propaganda tactic though, and the Russians are using it as an attack vector. Westerners seem really vulnerable to this form of propaganda, possibly due to the success of previous information warfare led by Russia. Bringing up some other terrible thing for comparison does not change in any way whatsoever the severity of what is happening in Ukraine. Whataboutism propagan…

Using a tool to help someone see that their thoughts or words are foolish isn't a bad thing. People are getting very emotional about this entire situation, which is understandable. But then they are getting on their internet soap boxes and saying things that don't make any real sense and they don't really believe. I was simply trying to make OP realize that his extremely harsh comments are just platitudes, by remindi…

> “People are getting very emotional”

People are reacting appropriately given the situation.

NameCheap operate an office in Kharkiv, a city which currently finds itself under Russian rocket attacks and indiscriminate shelling with cluster bombs, and you create an account to criticise the company for stopping operations in Russia and then imply people are overly emotional and foolish about this issue?

If I operated a business which had staff and operated in Kharkiv I would do exactly the same thing.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by pas » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

cf141q5325 wrote: post #150

Svoka wrote: post #19

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I had an acquaintance in Russia. He got chronic stomach problems since he couldnt afford a diverse diet due to the sanctions on food imports (the Russian sanctions on the EU aimed at making the Russian economy more resilient). Last time i heard from him he manage to move a nestegg into Dollar taking a hefty cut due to devaluations. I lost contact when Russia blacklisted the site we knew each other from and he didnt w…

Voting with their feet is the only real/effective option.

When big power structures collide the vast vast vaasst majority of the affected are nothing, not even pawns, not even innocent, since the question makes almost no sense.

It sucks, but the world is connected and finite, this leads to a lot of the issues we see at these times.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by stefan_ » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

darebak wrote: post #48

readthenotes1 wrote: post #21

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A big difference is that by and large, Ukraine has won the narrative. There are no "Ukrainian artillery: go fuck yourself" stories. There's also no barely veiled threats by the US that we would nuke Iraq or Afghanistan etc. nor drop the ISS on them.

Ukraine has won the narrative in the West because Western countries wanted it that way, it's actually pretty easy to do when you cut out opposing propaganda.

Yes, it was either that or the the dictator of a superpower going on live TV to read off a long prepared "Soviet Union 2.0 manifesto". I wonder which!

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by nradov » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #105

MrDisposable wrote: post #37

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> I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing. The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got a…

Can I ask, how are these economic restrictions affecting you in your daily life? Are people able to access money at their banks? Do you predict any future food security issues? Also in your opinion, what is the likely end game now for Putin? Putin is unlikely to win this war, Ukraine have been given near unlimited anti-tank weapons by the EU/US, and have air superiority now with extra MiG's donated by NATO and TB2 dr…

NATO hasn't actually provided any replacement MiGs to Ukraine yet. Ukraine hasn't established air superiority. At best the airspace is still contested.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44501/reports-that-ukr...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dotancohen » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:48 AM UTC

fabian2k wrote: post #156

dotancohen wrote: post #149

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Thre is no systematic murder in Ukraine. But this is how the UN defines genocide: > a. Killing members of the group; > b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; > d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > e. Forcibly transferring childre…

This is a pure war of agression, it is an invasion. There is no justification at all for this.

That's what the Western propaganda machine pushes (I'm Western too, certainly not pro-Russian) but do you really think that there is no rational Russian justification from the Russian perspective?