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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by blep-arsh »

vkizl wrote: post #147
moomin wrote: post #15

This is the point in the dominance cycle where the dominant player decides they no longer need to be the fastest or the most secure and that their dominance will allow them to coast along doing their thing. There’s nothing particularly inevitable about what happens next, but let’s hope they get an IE6-sized kick in the teeth.

They still are the fastest and the most secure, and Manifest v3 is faster than uBlock Origin since no javascript code needs to run. I won't be using Chrome anymore once they implement this since I like my element-hiding rules which I wrote myself, but for the common rabble, Manifest v3 will be an improvement.

They could support declarative rulesets without disabling request blocking. And the request inspection API is still live, it seems; I wonder if this means SimilarWeb and other spyware peddlers can stay in business for now.

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Post by johnpowell »

neuronic wrote: post #204
apexalpha wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowaways I put a pihole in every home of my family members. Together with unchecky (windows) my calls dropped by 95% or so.

What lists are you using, which avoiding? My use of pihole constantly disrupted basic services such as Sonos. I can certainly find the URL culprits and resolve it, but I got tired of constantly doing so...

I just use the default. We have Sonos stuff too and it works without doing anything special.

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Post by fastball »

mcv wrote: post #170

I'm in the process of switching as much as possible to Firefox. I now use Firefox Mobile on my smartphone, and my new laptop doesn't even get Chrome. And in many ways, it's been a breath of fresh air. Firefox gives my much more control over my privacy, and even recommends some extensions to improve it further. A couple of websites are sadly broken on my Firefox setup, but I can live without them. I want to get back t…

Why not something like Brave which has the performance of Chromium (still better than Firefox imo) because it's a fork but probably won't make similar business decisions to Google?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

LeonM wrote: post #97

Wow, the amount of negativity here is awful. I looks like most commenters have not even read the article... First of all, the HN title is not the title of the article. HN mods, please change it to reflect the actual title of the article. Second, to me this does not seem as some attempt by Google to actively block Adblocker extensions. They are proposing a change to the API (Manifest) to no longer allow manipulation o…

As 'yipbub says, the amount of negativity here is appropriate. The topic of Manifest V3 has been discussed to death over the past months, and the conclusion is, it does cripple ad and tracking blockers. The security benefits of this change are at best dubious[0], the performance argument is nonsense, and it really does look like the primary goal of this proposal is to make it impossible for browser extensions to effectively prevent users from being tracked. In the months since the initial proposal, Google has done nothing to suggest this is not their goal.

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[0] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/07/googles-plans-chrome-e...

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Post by wffurr »

What a needlessly hostile title that editorializes and doesn't match the linked article.

@dang can you change it to match the site? I think this submission violates the site guidelines on titles. The original title is "Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary" and doesn't include the ad blocker flame bait.

"Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize"

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Post by malvosenior »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #207
malvosenior wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t accept that these people think they are helping create an open web. I think they’re trying to make their stock options worth more and appease their bosses.

I don't know Mr Vincent or anyone else at Google, but it seems unrealistic to assume that no one at Google could possibly believe that advertising is helping not hurting the open Web. Stock options and bosses with different incentives are available at other employers as well.

I don’t think anyone could be naive enough to believe ads help the open web.

> Stock options and bosses with different incentives are available at other employers as well.

Most other employers don’t have a near monopoly on the web browser market.

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Post by IGotThroughIt »

codehalo wrote: post #78
the8472 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last two are chromium-based and thus will likely follow chrome's extension system too.

Brave has built in ad blocking.

I use brave but some brave allowed ads seep through. I have no issue with ads; I just don't like tracking and insane JavaScript pop ups taking over the browser without the user invoking a deliberate action.

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Post by Nasrudith »

sub7 wrote: post #169

Sooner we move off ad renvenue based products the better. Surely there's a way to get people to pay a tiny bit to get great quality products that don't fuck them in the arse. We need some benevolent dictatorship in tech to sponsor this ecosystem.

We have seen that floated many times but I am afraid it is a non-starter. It has the same exact issues as Clickbait but calls for a large infastructural change. Just having a convenient pay mechanism would be an in practice security vulnerability from scareware. Plus like subscriptions the owner practice often will be "do both at once"!

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Post by thrownaway954 »

9dl wrote: post #116
johnpowell wrote: post #86

Back in the IE 6 days I was in charge of fixing my families computers, and my family's friends computers. I was dealing with a few things a week, some requiring a full re-install. This was back in the early 2000's. Eventually I snapped and started charging hourly unless people switched to Gmail and Firefox. I started getting a lot less calls since Gmail was pretty good about filtering out malicious attachments and IE…

I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

thanks satan In all seriousness, "And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version", that is the key, let them think they are still using their old software.
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