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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Maybe the margins are just very large for Google because they predict so much demand for 3.5?

This combined with locally runnable models getting pretty good recently (e.g. Qwen 3.6) tells me that it's time to seriously consider local dev setup again

This should become the new Apple's hardware and software play. I am hopeful about the new CEO

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

funny that when I try the same prompt, gemini generates an image, not an SVG. something is not right.

That's likely because you're using the Gemini app which has a tool for image generation (nano banana) - I do my tests against the API to avoid any possibility of tool use.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Is there a good benchmark tracking hallucinations? The models are all incredibly good now, even the open ones, and my hope is that the rate of hallucinations is something that's falling off in concert with larger and larger context lengths.

People complain about them incessantly, but I can almost never get people to actually post receipts. Every provider allows sharing chats, and anyone can share a prompt that reliably produces hallucinations. More often than not, people are using images in responses that go awry. Which is fair, the models are sold as multi-modal, but image analyses is still at gpt-4.0 text-analyses levels. Also knowledge cutoff issues,…

I asked gemini 3.1 Pro to search for the linkedin URLs for a list of peers. It generated a plausible list of links -- but they were all hallucinated. On a follow up it confirmed it couldn't actually search, but didn't tell me that without prompting.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Knowledge cutoff: January 2025 Latest update: May 2026 I have a very bad feeling about this lag.

At least in some cases, there seems to be a move toward training on more synthetic data and strictly curated data, especially for smaller models where knowledge can't be extremely broad, because there just isn't enough room to store the world in tens or hundreds of gigabytes of model weights. So, to achieve higher quality reasoning, the training has to be focused and the data has to be very high quality and high density.

With strong tool use, it maybe doesn't even matter that the models are using older data. They can search for updated information. Though most models currently don't, without a little nudge in that direction.

Also, I believe the Qwen 3 series are all based on the same base model, with just fine-tuning/post-training to improve them on various metrics. Maybe everything in the Gemini 3 series is the same, and maybe they're concurrently training the Gemini 4 base model with updated knowledge as we speak.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Deepseek had another moment a few weeks ago. V4 isn't far behind the US frontier, and so far its flash variant seems a very reliable coder and costs a pittance.

Deepseek V4 (not flash) trippled in price too by the way (from Deepseek). Get used to this pattern. This is what you get for relying on the generosity of billionaires. Keep offshoring your thinking ability to a machine and let me know how competitive you. Hint, you wont be. There's nothing special about being able to use an LLM.

Anyone can host Deepseek V4 on rented GPUs and sell inference on it. Price will very quickly converge to the marginal cost of inference. This is as close to a pure commodity as it gets in the AI space so competitive market economics will put in work. Same is true for any open-weights model.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

And they are using this to power search answers?

I bet the API pricing helps pay for search users

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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> Create animated SVG of a frog on a boat rowing through jungle river. Single page self contained HTML page with SVG 3.5 Flash: Thinking Medium - 7516 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?5c9858fd2057e678b55d563d9bff0... 3.5 Flash: Thinking High - 7280 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?1cab3d70064349d08cf5952cdc165... 3.1 Pro - 28,258 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?6bf3da2f80487608b9525bce53018... Though…

Can you try with a more complex story such as "three little pigs"? I tried but it created a storybook instead of the SVG animation. I am looking to partially imitate Godogen [1][2] which is really great, even for animations. [1] https://github.com/htdt/godogen [2] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ozZmWcSwieZQG0muYjbj7Xjhhlz...

I think it's unreasonable to expect models generate complex stories in single prompt since they trained to be concise, but I tried. This is prompt on top of story with no control buttons request:

   Now think, plan how to tell this story in a cartoon, make scene outline and then generate SVG animation story for "Three Little Pigs" in self contained HTML page. Just single animation no control buttons.
Full prompt in gist comments: https://gist.github.com/ArseniyShestakov/ed9faa53604035005ca...

Actual results for models, one shot:

Gemini 3.5 Flash - Three Little Pigs - 9,050 tokens:

https://gistpreview.github.io/?ed9faa53604035005cae86c63c766...

Gemini 3.1 Pro - Three Little Pigs - 24,272 tokens:

https://gistpreview.github.io/?f506bbfd9b4459c8cd55d89605af8...

Gemini 3 Flash - Three Little Pigs - 5,350 tokens:

https://gistpreview.github.io/?f58eff069cf916031c97d560b0e35...

Gemma 4 31B IT - Three Little Pigs - 5,494 tokens:

https://gistpreview.github.io/?a3aa75abbe8fd7818b73f6fa55ee6...

Gemma 4 26B A4B IT - Three Iittle Pigs - 6,375 tokens:

https://gistpreview.github.io/?1e631caebeb54f9f0cd6d0e3d4d5e...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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> Create animated SVG of a frog on a boat rowing through jungle river. Single page self contained HTML page with SVG 3.5 Flash: Thinking Medium - 7516 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?5c9858fd2057e678b55d563d9bff0... 3.5 Flash: Thinking High - 7280 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?1cab3d70064349d08cf5952cdc165... 3.1 Pro - 28,258 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?6bf3da2f80487608b9525bce53018... Though…

hesamation/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-Claude-4.6-Opus-Reasoning-Distilled-GGUF @ Q6_K 8112 tokens @ 52.97 TPS, 0.85s TTFT https://gistpreview.github.io/?7bdefff99aca89d1bc12405323bd4... Full session: https://gist.github.com/abtinf/7bdefff99aca89d1bc12405323bd4... Generated with LM Studio on a Macbook Pro M2 Max https://huggingface.co/hesamation/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-Claude-4.6...

It isn’t animated at all for me?

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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post #109

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People complain about them incessantly, but I can almost never get people to actually post receipts. Every provider allows sharing chats, and anyone can share a prompt that reliably produces hallucinations. More often than not, people are using images in responses that go awry. Which is fair, the models are sold as multi-modal, but image analyses is still at gpt-4.0 text-analyses levels. Also knowledge cutoff issues,…

"People complain about them incessantly, but I can almost never get people to actually post receipts." ...my chats are all pretty long and involve personal conversations, or I've deleted them. It's a lot to ask for someone to post receipts. The number of complaints is enough data. No matter how big the model is there will be edge cases where it has no data or is out of date. In these cases it just makes stuff up. You…

Claude has gotten good in the past month or two at recognizing when it might need to search the web for updated info rather than saying that it has no idea what I'm talking about or making stuff up.
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