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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by irthomasthomas »

simonw wrote: post #131

The pelican is a lot : https://github.com/simonw/llm-gemini/issues/133#issuecomment... Not a great bicycle though, it forgot the bar between the pedals and the back wheel and weirdly tangled the other bars. Expensive too - that pelican cost 13 cents: https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=11&ot=14403&sel=gemini-3.5-fl...

This is a perfect illustration of something I noticed with llm progress. Ask them to improve an svg like this, and it never fixes the missing crossbar or disconnected limbs, it just adds more stuff. In this example they have obviously improved greatly, and it contains a ridiculous amount of detail, but they still to get the basic shape of the frame wrong. It's weird. And the pattern shows up everywhere, try it with a webpage and it will add more buttons and stuff. I've even experimented with feeding the broken pelican svgs to an image model to look for flaws, and they still fail to spot the broken elements.

edit: fixed human hallucination

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by squidbeak »

hei-lima wrote: post #138
GodelNumbering wrote: post #84

Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

We need another "Deepseek moment" or else it will become impossible for the regular dude to use AI. It will become something that only big companies can afford.

Deepseek had another moment a few weeks ago. V4 isn't far behind the US frontier, and so far its flash variant seems a very reliable coder and costs a pittance.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by vtail »

SXX wrote: post #27

> Create animated SVG of a frog on a boat rowing through jungle river. Single page self contained HTML page with SVG 3.5 Flash: Thinking Medium - 7516 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?5c9858fd2057e678b55d563d9bff0... 3.5 Flash: Thinking High - 7280 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?1cab3d70064349d08cf5952cdc165... 3.1 Pro - 28,258 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?6bf3da2f80487608b9525bce53018... Though…

Here is GPT 5.5 High thinking; I had to add a second follow up prompt "it's not animated though" as the first one was not animated.

https://gistpreview.github.io/?557f979c82701862bc26d24f10399...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by amarant »

hubraumhugo wrote: post #81

Just updated my HN Wrapped project with it and it does well on my totally unscientific LLM humor benchmark: https://hn-wrapped.kadoa.com

Lol, nice project! I liked the xkcd-style comic the most!

I'm only gonna cry a little bit about the all-too-accurate roasts. Some of that stuff cut deep!

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by llm_nerd »

GodelNumbering wrote: post #84

Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

It might be temporary pricing given that 3.5 Flash is actually superior to the existing 3.1 Pro in almost all regards, so they're in a bit of a lurch as 3.1 Pro really doesn't make sense given that 3.5 Pro has been delayed a bit.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by SwellJoe »

GodelNumbering wrote: post #84

Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

That's a lot. DeepSeek v4 Flash is just over a tenth the price, and DeepSeek v4 Pro is roughly the same price (currently heavily discounted, but will be $1.74).

I mean, the benchmarks for Gemini 3.5 Flash are very strong, but at those prices it has to be. I guess the time of subsidized tokens from the big guys is slowly coming to an end.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by reconnecting »

hosel wrote: post #124
reconnecting wrote: post #113

Knowledge cutoff: January 2025 Latest update: May 2026 I have a very bad feeling about this lag.

Can you explain what you mean?

LLM pre-training models risk being unable to be updated with data from after 2025, as much of it is corrupted with LLM-generated content. We might be locked into outdated knowledge, where only whitelisted sources decide what to include.

Taking into account the sometimes blind belief that 'LLMs know everything', the outcome could be very costly, especially for technologies and businesses unfortunate enough to emerge after 2025.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by veselin »

svachalek wrote: post #106
__jl__ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our experience, caching is not very reliable with google. We always get random cache misses that don't happen with other providers. We find OpenAI, Anthropic and Fireworks (which we use a lot) all have higher cache hit rates. So it's not only about the costs of cached token but also what kind of cached hit rate you get.

In my experience Google is the most flaky in general, which is surprising considering the rock solid history of their search and other products. Just more likely not to respond at all, to give a response out of left field, to handle the same error in 12 different ways randomly (a rainbow of HTTP status codes and error messages), etc etc.

Exactly our experience too. Effectively we catch these and on these status codes, we send to OpenAI. Retrying the same query in Gemini has high chance to give kind-of the same status code.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by GeorgeOldfield »

hei-lima wrote: post #138
GodelNumbering wrote: post #84

Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

We need another "Deepseek moment" or else it will become impossible for the regular dude to use AI. It will become something that only big companies can afford.

gemini isn't even that good. just tested 3.5 on usual complex prompts to opus/chat 5.5. meh

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by casey2 »

I think the field moved to agents too fast. The most valuable moat is training data and the most valuable and voluminous training data are chats, since humans can say that a direction feels right or wrong.
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