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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by mchusma »

conorh wrote: post #37
benbencodes wrote: post #31

Pricing is now live on ai.google.dev/pricing: Gemini 3.5 Flash: $0.75 input / $4.50 output per 1M tokens, 1M context window. The output price explicitly "includes thinking tokens" — which is why it's higher than a typical flash-class model. For comparison within the Gemini lineup: - Gemini 2.5 Flash: $0.30 / $2.50 - Gemini 3.1 Flash-Lite: $0.25 / $1.50 - Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview: $2.00 / $12.00 So 3.5 Flash is ~2.5x mo…

I think you have your pricing wrong there, Gemini 3.5 flash is $1.50 input and $9 output.

Okay, it's kind of somewhere between haiku and sonnet level pricing, at somewhere between sonnet and opus level performance. Its a great option. I was hoping to see opus class intelligence at haiku level pricing out of google, and this is close to that!

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

captn3m0 wrote: post #43
SXX wrote: post #27

> Create animated SVG of a frog on a boat rowing through jungle river. Single page self contained HTML page with SVG 3.5 Flash: Thinking Medium - 7516 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?5c9858fd2057e678b55d563d9bff0... 3.5 Flash: Thinking High - 7280 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?1cab3d70064349d08cf5952cdc165... 3.1 Pro - 28,258 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?6bf3da2f80487608b9525bce53018... Though…

All three links animate for me.

I think they mean the boat is moving. In the flash ones the paddles are animated but the boat is stationary for me.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by ls_stats »

eis wrote: post #40

3.5 Flash was more expensive than 3.1 Pro to run the Artifical Analysis test suite. $1551 for 3.5 Flash [0] vs $892 for 3.1 Pro [1]. That's 74% more cost while ranking lower. It's 2.5x as fast but I don't think the bang for the buck is there anymore like it was with 3.0 Flash. I'm a bit bummed out to be honest. I did not expect such a huge (3x) price increase from 3.0 Flash and I bet many people will not just blindly…

>3.5 Flash was more expensive than 3.1 Pro to run the Artifical Analysis test suite

That's everything I needed to know.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by majso »

aliljet wrote: post #33

Is there a good benchmark tracking hallucinations? The models are all incredibly good now, even the open ones, and my hope is that the rate of hallucinations is something that's falling off in concert with larger and larger context lengths.

maybe something like this? https://petergpt.github.io/bullshit-benchmark/viewer/index.v...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by wslh »

SXX wrote: post #27

> Create animated SVG of a frog on a boat rowing through jungle river. Single page self contained HTML page with SVG 3.5 Flash: Thinking Medium - 7516 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?5c9858fd2057e678b55d563d9bff0... 3.5 Flash: Thinking High - 7280 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?1cab3d70064349d08cf5952cdc165... 3.1 Pro - 28,258 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?6bf3da2f80487608b9525bce53018... Though…

Can you try with a more complex story such as "three little pigs"? I tried but it created a storybook instead of the SVG animation. I am looking to partially imitate Godogen [1][2] which is really great, even for animations.

[1] https://github.com/htdt/godogen

[2] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ozZmWcSwieZQG0muYjbj7Xjhhlz...

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by WarmWash »

aliljet wrote: post #33

Is there a good benchmark tracking hallucinations? The models are all incredibly good now, even the open ones, and my hope is that the rate of hallucinations is something that's falling off in concert with larger and larger context lengths.

People complain about them incessantly, but I can almost never get people to actually post receipts. Every provider allows sharing chats, and anyone can share a prompt that reliably produces hallucinations.

More often than not, people are using images in responses that go awry. Which is fair, the models are sold as multi-modal, but image analyses is still at gpt-4.0 text-analyses levels.

Also knowledge cutoff issues, where people forget the models exist months to a year or more in the past.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by JanSt »

himata4113 wrote: post #22
stri8ed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the cost increase associated with this model, and previous model releases, I think the size is trending upwards, not down.

The speed says otherwise. I think they're increasing costs since they want to start seeing ROI.

Those are (mostly) new, faster TPU

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by ekojs »

eis wrote: post #40

3.5 Flash was more expensive than 3.1 Pro to run the Artifical Analysis test suite. $1551 for 3.5 Flash [0] vs $892 for 3.1 Pro [1]. That's 74% more cost while ranking lower. It's 2.5x as fast but I don't think the bang for the buck is there anymore like it was with 3.0 Flash. I'm a bit bummed out to be honest. I did not expect such a huge (3x) price increase from 3.0 Flash and I bet many people will not just blindly…

Seems like the only good thing about 3.5 Flash is its speed. Not cost-competitive or benchmark-leading by any means.
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