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Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Finally, a principled company no longer participating in the corrupt D.C. culture of "lobbying" politicians. Politics as no place in the workplace.

I agree with you but on the other hand if companies lobbies politicians isn’t then the feedback loop broken, in a sort of tragedy of the commons way?

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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post #18

Honestly why I like WFH - I can stay away from people who "bring their whole selves" to the office, while I just need a job. (I'm not at Google)

"Bring your whole selves to the office" can work pretty darn well (at least from the C-suite PoV) when the company is a (relative) plucky little startup, and you're trying to get the drones to work 80+ hour weeks for crap pay. But when you're a corporate behemoth, with a "keep turning crank to keep making $billions" business model...then not so much.

The “bring your whole/authentic self to work” is a terrible thing to tell people. Precisely because companies have cultural values they are giving you at the same time. They are literally telling you who you should be at work and then telling you to be your “authentic self” out of the other side of their mouth. Those of us who are older know what they mean. We know they don’t want us to actually be ourselves. But I think younger folks actually believe this and I feel like they are basically being setup to get fired this way.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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I'm not saying they aren't capable of committing war crimes or genocide or whatever other terms you want to use. Clearly Israel is eminently capable of simply flattening Gaza (and Judaea/Samaria if they wanted) and they are restrained enough to not do so. I'm saying I don't think they are by any objective measure and the constant fixation with accusing Israel of war crimes and genocide, combined with the disgusting a…

Honestly tiresome to see accusations of antisemitism and reference to the Palestinian West Bank as "Judea and Samaria". How does the Palestinian West Bank become Judea and Samaria? Through forced displacement, ethnic cleansing, and/or genocide. "Greater Israel" can only come about through mass crimes against humanity and expansionist/pseudo-revanchist military adventurism.

Apologies for calling it by it's historical name instead of the revisionist one the British gave it.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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I understand you’re attempting to show an inconsistency. But believing gay people have a right to exist is quite similar to believing Jewish people have a right to exist.

There isn't much of a connection between being Israeli and being gay though. A quick check of the LGBTQ demographics[1] shows that actually Israelis are only a little over twice as likely to be gay vs. the US for example. > In a sample representative of the Israeli Jewish population aged 18 to 44, it was found that 11.3% of men and 15.2% of women self-reported attraction to the same-gender > A 2017 Gallup poll conclu…

I have no idea how this relates to the topic.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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that's a much more reasonable take If I can be annoying about language a bit- insisting on calling trans women "trans identifying males" makes you sound anti-trans rights as a whole instead of trying to add nuance to a complicated subject. I agree there are complications and there's plenty of situations where one oppressed group opresses another and that those are hard to sort out on a purely "support the oppressed"…

"Trans Identifying Males" is a shibboleth used by the UK "gender critical" extremists, and it is exceedingly rare to see it used by a neutral party. Big red flag for a bad faith discussion.

ah, not familiar with UK stuff, thanks for the heads up

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Their nationality is relevant because they are Israeli and Israel and Gaza are at war.

Profoundly disagree. Perhaps in rhetorical or philosophical contexts it may be relevant. But concerning questions of what constitutes acceptable workplace conduct, it is way off the page (and in my view, completely out of line).

Eh I get it. TBH I think this is a generational divide and we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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post #30

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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…

It's about oppressed vs oppressor narratives. LGBTQ people tend to sympathize with the oppressed because most of them have memories of being oppressed themselves. Ive actually asked a few about this and they tend to agree that Hamas and palestinains in general would not form a government they would support, but theyre not willing to overlook how oppressed the palestinians have been for the past 80 years.

this stray quote on some thread struck a nerve and stuck with me:

"just because you are weak, doesn't mean you're a victim"

sometimes a tiger initiates a fight against a deer, and wins. sometimes it initiates a fight against another tiger, and loses.

the initiating tiger does not get to claim high moral ground in either case.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

#208

Sounds like the union is not strong enough. 50 workers being fired should be enough for everyone else to be like wtf.

Why should 50 workers not be fired for disrupting the workplace to push a political agenda?

Joining a union is essentially saying you're ready to throw down for any worker, even a stranger, and you know without having to ask that they've made the same promise to you. Metal as hell, everyone should do it.

{Credit: T Arnold}

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly tiresome to see accusations of antisemitism and reference to the Palestinian West Bank as "Judea and Samaria". How does the Palestinian West Bank become Judea and Samaria? Through forced displacement, ethnic cleansing, and/or genocide. "Greater Israel" can only come about through mass crimes against humanity and expansionist/pseudo-revanchist military adventurism.

Apologies for calling it by it's historical name instead of the revisionist one the British gave it.

Those are but two of the many names those places have had over the years. Was your usage idiomatic, or expressive of an policy desire for Israel to rule over those lands?

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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OK, I see. I suppose my next question would be why we are somehow stoic on the Uyghur issue. But I would guess that the reason is that the US sends support to Israel while actively cutting ties (or going to war economically) with China.

30,000 Uyghur women and children weren’t indiscriminately bombed to death via advanced drones, nor were hundreds of innocent civilians massacred at hospitals in China and buried in mass graves. It’s happening in Palestine as we type.

Instead over 1 million of them are sent to concentration camps, abused and killed to harvest their organs. It's genocide eitherway. The issue isn't covered is really the difference here.
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