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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?

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Wait. What? A company shouldn’t review if the technology it’s selling is used for mass murder? That’s the most batshit point of view I’ve heard in a long time.

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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…

It's about oppressed vs oppressor narratives. LGBTQ people tend to sympathize with the oppressed because most of them have memories of being oppressed themselves. Ive actually asked a few about this and they tend to agree that Hamas and palestinains in general would not form a government they would support, but theyre not willing to overlook how oppressed the palestinians have been for the past 80 years.

This oppressed ~= virtuous and support-worthy logic, whose mainstream popularity is a relatively new thing, frankly doesn't make much sense to me. IMO, if you are oppressed, you have a right to be not oppressed - and that is all. If you are oppressed and also jerk, you are a jerk and deserve to be treated accordingly, by which I do not mean the oppression, but whatever the usual consequences are for such behavior.

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Oh please. This sort of blind “Israel is not POSSIBLY incapable of committing the same atrocities every other State is capable of committing” is a uniquely American brand of anti-anti-Semitism. Considering the actual merits and factors of a situation instead of simplifying everything to “yeah, but Jewish people have had a hard time” is exactly the sort of easily consumable useless drivel that doesn’t belong here.

I'm not saying they aren't capable of committing war crimes or genocide or whatever other terms you want to use. Clearly Israel is eminently capable of simply flattening Gaza (and Judaea/Samaria if they wanted) and they are restrained enough to not do so. I'm saying I don't think they are by any objective measure and the constant fixation with accusing Israel of war crimes and genocide, combined with the disgusting a…

Honestly tiresome to see accusations of antisemitism and reference to the Palestinian West Bank as "Judea and Samaria". How does the Palestinian West Bank become Judea and Samaria? Through forced displacement, ethnic cleansing, and/or genocide.

"Greater Israel" can only come about through mass crimes against humanity and expansionist/pseudo-revanchist military adventurism.

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that's a much more reasonable take If I can be annoying about language a bit- insisting on calling trans women "trans identifying males" makes you sound anti-trans rights as a whole instead of trying to add nuance to a complicated subject. I agree there are complications and there's plenty of situations where one oppressed group opresses another and that those are hard to sort out on a purely "support the oppressed"…

"Trans Identifying Males" is a shibboleth used by the UK "gender critical" extremists, and it is exceedingly rare to see it used by a neutral party. Big red flag for a bad faith discussion.

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It's about oppressed vs oppressor narratives. LGBTQ people tend to sympathize with the oppressed because most of them have memories of being oppressed themselves. Ive actually asked a few about this and they tend to agree that Hamas and palestinains in general would not form a government they would support, but theyre not willing to overlook how oppressed the palestinians have been for the past 80 years.

This oppressed ~= virtuous and support-worthy logic, whose mainstream popularity is a relatively new thing, frankly doesn't make much sense to me. IMO, if you are oppressed, you have a right to be not oppressed - and that is all. If you are oppressed and also jerk, you are a jerk and deserve to be treated accordingly, by which I do not mean the oppression, but whatever the usual consequences are for such behavior.

I also think there are a lot of LGBTQ people who support Israel, but are so warry about supporting oppression that they dont voice their opinion. I could go on and on psychoanalyzing the movement but at the end of the day Id say it makes sense that LGBTQ group seems to be so united behind the palestinian cause.

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Why would a genocide be their intention? But it can be the consequence, because they don't care. Then they argue that it isn't a genocide but who are they to decide? The culprit can't decide.

Because genocide definitionally requires intent. > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part.. Wikipedia

> Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part

That's exactly what Israel is doing from the POV of the whole world but they disagree.

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