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I dunno, stuff like the IBM Nazi thing or the helmet tracking used on slaves in Qatar is kinda... kinda gives bad vibes, I guess.
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As absurd as your comment may seem, I honestly would genuinely prefer this over the current approach. As you said, it's currently pretty much a guessing game as to what left-leaning opinions you need to pretend to support in order to not get cancelled or ostracized. It's so stupid... if Google truly just cares about the bottom line, why play this idiotic game where you need to get all huffy and puffy about individual workers opinions? Why not just dispense with the whole façade of pretending to care about left-wing causes? Like at this point the fervent supporters of left-wing ideology HAVE to sense the "how do you do fellow kids" energy coming off of these major corporations.
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> it is should not be within the purview of a company to make such moral judgements. Who should, if not the company who makes the product? Nobody? Courts after harm has occurred? We have these exact controls in place for military hardware. If your company builds missiles, you better believe it's your responsibility not to sell to enemies of the state. (Edit: I'd like to avoid the parent's particular example, as it's…
For missiles?
The government already decides that for you.
You can only (and only somewhat) decide to not sell things the government says you can to people the government says you can.
Aside from that? Jail.
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I don’t get the genocide argument. Israel has complete air superiority, if genocide was the goal they could have leveled Gaza in the first day. Casualties would have been at least over 1 million not 30k. And they wouldn’t go door-to-door, drop flyers and knock-bombs (again why bother if genocide is the intent). The fact that the causality count is as low as it is considering they are fighting a genocidal terrorist or…
Why would a genocide be their intention? But it can be the consequence, because they don't care. Then they argue that it isn't a genocide but who are they to decide? The culprit can't decide.
Because genocide definitionally requires intent.
> Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part..
Wikipedia
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Right, and that was understood already. The point I'm making is that (apart from that information) they were drawing unnecessary attention to the coworkers' nationality.
Their nationality is relevant because they are Israeli and Israel and Gaza are at war.
Profoundly disagree. Perhaps in rhetorical or philosophical contexts it may be relevant. But concerning questions of what constitutes acceptable workplace conduct, it is way off the page (and in my view, completely out of line).
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Oh please. This sort of blind “Israel is not POSSIBLY incapable of committing the same atrocities every other State is capable of committing” is a uniquely American brand of anti-anti-Semitism. Considering the actual merits and factors of a situation instead of simplifying everything to “yeah, but Jewish people have had a hard time” is exactly the sort of easily consumable useless drivel that doesn’t belong here.
I'm not saying they aren't capable of committing war crimes or genocide or whatever other terms you want to use. Clearly Israel is eminently capable of simply flattening Gaza (and Judaea/Samaria if they wanted) and they are restrained enough to not do so.
I'm saying I don't think they are by any objective measure and the constant fixation with accusing Israel of war crimes and genocide, combined with the disgusting amount of antisemitism I've seen after 10/7 has led me to the conclusion that accusing them of imagined crimes is deeply rooted in antisemitism.
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Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?
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> Correct. AI (or other technology) are tools. They can be used for good, they can be used for evil, it is should not be within the purview of a company to make such moral judgements.
So basically when IBM was selling business machines that were being used in the concentration camps to the Nazi government it was ok. And when other US companies were selling all kinds of things including technology to the Nazis, which were used in the war, including for killing actual American soldiers.
And if the Nazis won and were able to implement all they wanted at a global scale, these companies wouldn't be responsible for aiding the Nazi war effort and its eventual triumph.
> people to mask-off with antisemitism trying
Children are being murdered on live video. That's crazy talk at this point. If murdering children is semitism, then you are on the wrong side. If it isn't, then you are just talking nonsense because what they are doing is unjustifiable.
The murder wont go away and the discussion wont stop if you scream 'anti-semitism'. Stop murdering children first.
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#188Sure, if all it takes is raising a rainbow flag on top of the building and some words of the CEO they are all for it. But as soon as Google's bottom line is involved they behave pretty predictable.
I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…
> I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0].
Just because there are anti-lgbt elements in Palestinian society and politics LGBT people wont be pro-genocide and side with Israel.
The proposition defies description no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may kill LGBT people? I guess its okay for Israel to murder their children then..."
> I'm not interested in emotional responses
The murder of children cant be reacted to with any other response than an emotional one.
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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…
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> with very little nuance applied
What 'nuance'? Are they expected to say "Oh, is Hamas anti-LGBT? I guess its ok for Israel to murder Palestinian children then..."?
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#190Sounds like the union is not strong enough. 50 workers being fired should be enough for everyone else to be like wtf.
Why should 50 workers not be fired for disrupting the workplace to push a political agenda?
Political?
Children are being murdered in live video in front of the eyes of the entire world. This is not an exaggeration. Those who propagate it are posting videos on the Israeli internet and these are being propagated to the 80% of the world that you call the global south. Them not reaching your eyes because the complicit media in the West keeps them out of sight does not mean that the rest of the world is not able to access them.
All the companies who collaborate with Israel in their activities are being vilified in the rest of the world at this moment. And rightfully so. If IBM selling machinery to the Nazi government during Ww2 so that they could run their concentration camps was a bad thing to do, this is the same. The standing of all these corporations is being affected just like how the standing of the US went to hell with their complicity and the Biden admn. is trying to put out the fire with its hollow pr declarations.
That is the rational, business-angle approach to this. From the human angle, anyone who condones a corporation that helps a vicious extremist government to murder children would be classified as a sociopath. Not 'rational'.
Everyone who abets and aids this and everyone who defends them is complicit with what is happening in Gaza.
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I know that a lot of you, the tech and business colleagues who are regulars of this forum, will take these statements as 'emotional', 'non-rational', and 'unrealistic' and you will think that the resulting diplomatic and business fallout wont be that bad.
That is not how it seems from the global south. Israel appears as an unrepentant genocidal rogue state and from the US to Europe who aid and abet them are seen as hypocritical fcks. If even Joseph Borrell, the Eu parliamentarian who likes to openly classify Europe as 'a garden' and the rest of the world as 'jungle', started saying that the West is appearing as a hypocrite with its Gaza policy and losing its diplomatic standing and clout in the eyes of the rest of the world, there is no debating what's happening.
Long story short, you are all appearing as hypocritical fcks, including Google who went all the way to lay off those who protested its complicity in what 80% of the world considers a genocide. This wont go away.
(amazing - someone from the global south is telling these people what the people who live there think and what the public opinion is turning towards, and they are downvoting the messenger as a response as if it will make their problem go away)