Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

Post by mrguyorama » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

candiodari wrote: post #151

mannykannot wrote: post #35

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I don't feel there is anything "fundamentally wrong with many of them", but the role medicine plays in our lives makes it susceptible to exploitation by both messianic and psychopathic personalities. As a counter-example of medicine going hand-in-hand with despotism, there's Stalin's Doctors Plot, though there was a a lot of antisemitism there as well.

I think you should probably limit it to psychology. The whole point of psychology is social control. Making society into what someone wants it to be instead of what it needs to be (from the perspectives of individuals who are trying to survive/do well, whatever that means to them ). Changing individuals while doing only things to the individual, not touching the problems their behaviour is trying to solve. Pointing o…

Post by mrguyorama » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #52

eyelidlessness wrote: post #45

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“Openly” is probably going to throw some people off here, because it’s knowable history but not widely broadcasted or widely known. I think (and hope) your intent is to draw the parallel so similar programs targeting natives in the US (and Canada, I’ll add, they seldom diverge very far) can be viewed in the same light. I’m not adding much nuance besides noting that your wording could be misinterpreted as a dismissive…

I was saying these programs don't need to be run by fascist dictators who forged documents far away in the distant past. The democratic US either did or does the same kind of thing without that kind of deception.

Post by trasz » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 8:26 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #193

trasz wrote: post #165

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This is not flamewar. It’s not even a controversial statement. The word you are looking for is “political correctness”. I have no problem with plural “you” prohibiting easily verifiable, but politically incorrect facts, but let’s not pretend it’s something else - have some guts and explicitly write it down in site rules instead of (repeatedly) pushing bullshit like this.

I don't care about the individual comment, I care about the pattern. Given that your account has had such a clear pattern of posting religious flamewar comments* that we've had to warn you multiple times in the past, and given that you were resuming that pattern several times in the current thread, it seems natural to let you know that we need you to stop posting like this and if you don't we will ban you. Re "facts"…

Post by aredox » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 9:17 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #170

squarefoot wrote: post #150

This is not just history, there are numerous reports of mass children abductions happening in Ukraine since the Russian invasion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-k...

The article gives no evidence for any of its claims of kidnapping. Also, instead of attempting to propose a coherent reason why Russia would be kidnapping children and other civilians from areas that largely support Russia in the conflict , they just talk about other historical incidents of child adoption after massacres during domestic extermination by fascist regimes who we supported and allied with.

Post by dang » Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 9:29 PM UTC

yazzku wrote: post #205

dang wrote: post #194

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It always feels like the other person started it and did worse. From my perspective your comment was just as flamey as the others. On HN, we want curious conversation. Denunciatory arguments on inflammatory topics are the easiest thing for internet forums to degenerate into, and when they do, curious conversation is quickly destroyed. That's why we have to expend a lot of energy trying to moderate this tendency. The…

Ok, 'Jesus approves' was unnecessary. But the article is about the Catholic Church aiding in the robbery of babies during the Spanish dictatorship, and I thought it useful to point out that this was not just an isolated data point in the Church's wrongdoing and complete lack of morals, but rather, the Church was a fundamental component in the backbone of the regime. I thought readers would find the background useful.