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Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Canada too. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-apologizes-to-aboriginal...

Switzerland too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdingkinder

Or Ireland. And just to leapfrog, Germany under multiple governments throughout history.

It seems to be common practice to take children away from their families, if said families are not part of the group in power.

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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.

Except that is not the case where many people who now wish to "detransition" claim neither them or their parents got a good explanation of the consequences of such surgical procedures or the medicine they'd be prescribed, from medical doctors, who guess what, are in it for the money.

What percentage is “many”? What’s the absolute number?

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Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…

I was going to say the Catholic Church often seems to be at the center of these regimes, but I guess we all see things through our own lens.

The Catholic Church worked parallel to some of those regimes, and in cooperation with others. Or completely independent in other cases.

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And similarly in Australia. The more appropriate description is taken by STATE. These and more issues come from state bureaucracies irrespective of any other trappings. Otherwise decent people will do terrible things when given a bureaucratic goal, just to achieve said goal, and then will say they were only doing their job or following orders.

Where’s “state” usually means the church, with state’s approval.

We've asked you more than once not to use HN for religious flamewar. If you keep doing it (and you've done it repeatedly in this thread already), we are going to have to ban you. No more of this, please.

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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.

>willingly

What are you talking about? Children can't give consent. Also don't talk like the only way for children to access this process is through legitimate methods while there are online HRT sellers marketing primarily to children.

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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.

Except that is not the case where many people who now wish to "detransition" claim neither them or their parents got a good explanation of the consequences of such surgical procedures or the medicine they'd be prescribed, from medical doctors, who guess what, are in it for the money.

It is hard to find good numbers on detrans minors, simply because there are so few minors who transition in the first place. But here's one study showing that the regret rate for gender affirming surgery in general is ~1% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

Detransitioners get so much media attention simply because it's good transphobia fodder. All there is to substantiate these claims is anecdotal stories from a handful of individuals. These cases should be investigated of course, everyone has a right to make fully informed decisions about their body and it's problematic if that wasn't possible for some reason. However, it is simply untrue that there's a systemic problem with this at the moment.

Again anecdotally, among the (few) detrans people I know, all of them agree they made their decisions fully informed, and take ownership of their decisions rather than blaming doctors.

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>This is fake It is kind of hard to "assume the best" in case of your comment, ie. that you are supposedly just not aware what i'm talking about given that the info is just one google search away. Anyway, given the very familiar style, impeccable logical consistency and convincing strength of that an argument of yours i suppose that you're a Russian and thus can read this for example (i just don't have nor time nor d…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We've had to ask you this many times.

Attacking another user for their ethnicity is going to get you banned here, regardless of who you have a problem with. I realize that people feel strongly in a war but you can't do that here, so please don't do it again.

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Religious flamewar is not allowed on HN. Please don't post like this, regardless of how badly other people have behaved or how strongly you feel about it.

Other kinds of flamewar aren't allowed either, but religious flamewar is particularly bad and particularly avoidable.

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Except that people undergoing these surgeries do so willingly, face massive barriers to ensure they are thinking clearly and understand the consequences, show minimal regret rates, often have to undergo extensive psychological counseling beforehand, etc... Except for everything it's exactly the same.

>willingly What are you talking about? Children can't give consent. Also don't talk like the only way for children to access this process is through legitimate methods while there are online HRT sellers marketing primarily to children.

Are you trying to say that people under 18 should never receive any surgery because they can't consent?

This comment chain is about gender affirming surgeries and _doctors_, not DIY HRT so I won't respond to that

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