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Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by _HMCB_ »

aa-jv wrote: post #128

White Stolen Generation (Australian variant), checking in. My mother was physically, emotionally and pyschologically tortured by her own government for the simple fact of having had me, out of wedlock. I was taken as a baby, to be relocated to another family - a "proper, white one", that met the standards of the government at the time. Mum fought and screamed and kicked down the doors, and got a lawyer. And, a little…

I can’t imagine anyone doing this to a mother/family. It sickens me. The desperation your mother must have felt is unbearable to think about. I’m glad she fought for you. Thanks for sharing your story.

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Post by sofixa »

pyuser583 wrote: post #80
motohagiography wrote: post #24

Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…

> German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, My understanding is the German “euthanasia” program didn’t start until after after the war began. Not in big numbers anyway. So you have a source?

The T4 program started in September 1939, same time as the war (in Europe), but the pilot was run in the summer. Considering the Nazis didn't think their invasion of Poland would turn into a general war, it's highly unlikely there's any relation between the two.

Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by Schroedingersat »

vanderZwan wrote: post #160
Schroedingersat wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication is that the USA does it and therefore it doesn't need to have fascists and eugenicists in power and can happen in a democratic country.

So I'm not trying to pick a fight (I may very well be agreeing with your views as far as I know), but I'm genuinely still lost at what you mean. I don't think I see what's wrong with that direction, unless I'm reversing it along a different axis than what you have in mind. I were to attempt to reverse that statement it would say "this can happen in a democratic country, a country doesn't need to have fascists and eug…

> USA isn't actually a democracy and or that it is a fascist country

If it did and does facist things in opposition to what the majority of its residents want then yeah. Walks like a duck and all that.

Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by trasz »

Thorrez wrote: post #85
trasz wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An encyclic is just a marketing material. What matters is what they actually did. The Vatican was gifted to Church by… fascists.

>In Weimar Germany, the Catholic Church vehemently warned ordinary parishioners about the dangers of extremist parties. Is that doing something?

Nah, that’s just talk. Doing something is cooperating with fascists (Lateran Pacts), supporting Catholic-Nazi regimes (Franco, Tiso, and many others), and helping Nazis evade justice (ratlines).

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Post by trasz »

dang wrote: post #105
trasz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where’s “state” usually means the church, with state’s approval.

We've asked you more than once not to use HN for religious flamewar. If you keep doing it (and you've done it repeatedly in this thread already), we are going to have to ban you. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32279647 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is not flamewar. It’s not even a controversial statement.

The word you are looking for is “political correctness”. I have no problem with plural “you” prohibiting easily verifiable, but politically incorrect facts, but let’s not pretend it’s something else - have some guts and explicitly write it down in site rules instead of (repeatedly) pushing bullshit like this.

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Post by saiya-jin »

sofixa wrote: post #157
squarefoot wrote: post #150

This is not just history, there are numerous reports of mass children abductions happening in Ukraine since the Russian invasion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-k...

Russians are really intent on setting the clock back. Fighting in the Donbass, trenches, poorly equipped human waves, genocide through attacks on civilians and kidnapping of children. It's like Putin and co are stuck in WW2 (at best).

No post body was provided.

Re: Taken under fascism, Spain’s ‘stolen babies’ are learning the truth

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Post by chiefgeek »

wyager wrote: post #27
motohagiography wrote: post #24

Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…

Doctors used to be viewed with (justified) suspicion. That suspicion is mostly still justified, but doctors are riding the coattails of several significant medical inventions in the last 100 years, especially antibiotics. This gives them a lot of credibility (justified or not), and the political consequences of this are not ideal. Hopefully this will eventually return to equilibrium and people will stop treating doct…

What do you call the person who came in last in the class in medical school? Doctor.

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Post by pessimizer »

trhway wrote: post #159
squarefoot wrote: post #150

This is not just history, there are numerous reports of mass children abductions happening in Ukraine since the Russian invasion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-k...

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That's not what the article says. The article is about adopting orphaned children from the breakaway republics.

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Post by emptyfile »

aubanel wrote: post #61
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to say the Catholic Church often seems to be at the center of these regimes, but I guess we all see things through our own lens.

Do you have rationale supporting the hand of the Church in fascist regimes? The Catholic Church expressed its rejection of fascism via the strongest possible channel: an encyclic written by Pius XI in 1937, _Mit Brennender Sorge_, was read during the Sunday mass in all churches of Germany although the Nazis were already repressing opponents. Even more: according to statistical studies, out of many socioeconomic varia…

Never heard of clero-fascism? Most Catholics haven't. I guess they don't mention it often in our history books here in Europe.

You can start your education here, I know of it because its my country, but I'm sure its only the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_wi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_fascism

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Post by pessimizer »

squarefoot wrote: post #150

This is not just history, there are numerous reports of mass children abductions happening in Ukraine since the Russian invasion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-k...

The article gives no evidence for any of its claims of kidnapping. Also, instead of attempting to propose a coherent reason why Russia would be kidnapping children and other civilians from areas that largely support Russia in the conflict, they just talk about other historical incidents of child adoption after massacres during domestic extermination by fascist regimes who we supported and allied with.
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