This is like banning a Bugatti Veyron (worldwide production about 30 per year) because the gas mileage is too low. Priceless Puritans.
The issue is idle power draw, so it’s more like banning a Ford F150 that cannot be turned off when it’s not being driven. Imagine if your neighbor got a car that just sat in the driveway with its engine running 24 hours per day.
PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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They are destroying civilization
A policy designed to make more power available to a civilization is somehow seen as destroying it. It is honestly fascinating to watch the human brain at work.
Stop with the moral high horse, the left in this country fell off long ago. We're all on the ground now so it's time we look around and accept reality.
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#204All that the rules say (yes, I read them) is that a workstation with 32G RAM (formula is 10 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB) must not exceed ~ 11W in sleep mode and a desktop with 32G RAM must not exceed 6W in sleep mode (5 + 0.03 * RAM_GiB). Basically, these desktops probably have very ancient/buggy motherboards with broken ACPI. Good riddance. Fun fact: Desktops/workstations shipped without an operating system at purchasers reque…
What distinguishes a workstation from a desktop?
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#205Is this basically just because of adopting newer "energy star certification" junk, and some of these devices just haven't been certified to comply to the new standards yet? Obviously they're not singling out these specific laptops...
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Horrifying. Also: "This PC cannot authenticate to your ISP because the ability to run unsigned code makes it an environmental and digital weapon."
The freedoms of collaboration over the Internet can taken away with: 1. widespread trusted computing (we're close) 2. banning encrypted comms over unregulated spectrums (done) 3. political will to ban such freedoms (growing) How can those that prefer such freedoms preserve them? Political activism can. Can censorship resistant tech help in that situation? Plausibly deniable mesh networks? Sneakernet?
Wow, they banned 2.4 GHz wifi? And all the other ISM bands?
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"AMD Ryzen 5000 series CPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30-series graphics." One wonders where you think these chips were designed? I used to live between the AMD and NVIDIA campuses.
I'm pretty sure California has yet to ban AMD CPUs and NVIDIA graphics cards, though it would be pretty funny, of course.
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#208These overzealous "green" regulations crack me up. Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-green-energy: I think my own country should stop building coal power plants and start investing heavily in solar and wind. However, a lot of these consumer-targetted rules are just ludicrous bureaucratic overreach that cause more issues than they solve. A quick example: My apartment block was just "upgraded" to meet some new energy-ef…
I'm becoming increasingly extreme on actions were should take to fight climate change, but have to agree with you here. This type of weirdness happens because of super specific regulation instead of creating the right incentive structure. Just charge for negative externalities, in this case carbon emissions. That will incentivice consumers to seek out low-power consumption devices and energy providers to offer compet…
For example, pure hosting providers care deeply about the electricity usage, because they have to pay for the air conditioning needed to cool the waste heat. From their perspective, that $50 extra in power is actually more like $100 in electricity + cooling costs for a server that might only bring in $500 in revenue to them in the same time frame.
Meanwhile that server could be running a database that costs $300,000 per year in licensing alone, hosting software that cost $100M to develop, and supports 10K staff managing $2B in turnover.
So of course, it's going to be slowed down to 50% by the guy in charge of the air conditioning to save him $50...
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#209Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.
> This is an achievement to be proud of. I mean I'm all for reducing power consumption, but is having a mild climate an achievement to be proud of? I'd guess that California's main population centers have fewer degree days away from 72 F than any other state in the country. By default, you'd expect their power consumption to be the very lowest. (The other states close to CA in consumption per capita have much worse c…
I had one tell me that everywhere should put street signs on the roadway itself. Had no concept of what snow was apparently.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
The freedoms of collaboration over the Internet can taken away with: 1. widespread trusted computing (we're close) 2. banning encrypted comms over unregulated spectrums (done) 3. political will to ban such freedoms (growing) How can those that prefer such freedoms preserve them? Political activism can. Can censorship resistant tech help in that situation? Plausibly deniable mesh networks? Sneakernet?
> banning encrypted comms over unregulated spectrums (done) Wow, they banned 2.4 GHz wifi? And all the other ISM bands?