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Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Nobody really knows how to product-ize any of these LLM interfaces beyond just chat. They don't want a traditional UI with buttons and forms and labels because they want the interface to be "chat". The problem is that "chat" is tedious. And the turn-based, linear nature of the chat interaction model makes it even more tedious and unproductive.

"Chat" makes it feel more like you're talking to a human. They need people to believe AGI is imminent when using the product.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#192

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Isn't that expected since LLMs are inherently non-deterministic?

LLMs are inherently deterministic. The way everyone deploys LLMs leads to non-deterministic results, but there's nothing† stopping providers from offering deterministic evaluation if they choose. All the sources of randomness are under the control of the provider, even if today's deployment structures mean providers introduce extra randomness due to the concurrent nature of the evaluation. Serialise the computation,…

This is technically true, but when people talk about randomness, its not only about same input-> different output, like temperature>0 and the things you said.

Its also about very similar inputs -> different outputs. Even with everything you said, yes, same input would result consistently into same output, but sliightly different input and you might get completely different/semantic answer.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#193
post #6

People keep asking for this w/ Codex, too, and I really regret that both labs seem inclined to listen. If you ask a thinking/research type question in 'Chat' versus 'Work' mode in these products -- say, something complex about politics, or do a multiturn business strategy, or want to work thru a new concept, you get very different answers. The harness, steering, etc. in the chat/reasoning products is so much better f…

I agree that they should be separate modes, but presenting it as a toggle in the app is a terrible user experience.

The model itself should figure out how much “power” it needs to run the query. I’m just asking a question. Whether you need to do a simple internet search or spin up a VM and run scripts is up to you.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#194

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I don't think it's that anyone wants the interface to be chat. I think it's that the underlying technology is inherently words in and words out. It's similar to how devices with capacitive screens are most naturally going to support tapping, dragging, and pinching.

It's funny to me that instead of moving existing tech to a word in word out paradigm, people are dropping millions getting the chat to work with the existing paradigm. Probably inevitable, but seems like a lot of disruption could happen there.

I mean, that's the first adoption phase where you don't start from scratch but keep using the old tech with the bolted on LLMs. It would take some time for devs to build the primitives around the new tech.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#195

Hi, this is my team! Happy to answer any questions. There's a lot in this launch, but the core idea is to simplify the product while giving users access to more capabilities. You no longer need to know ahead of time how much work a conversation might involve. If you're at your computer, Claude can use your local files and apps. If you close your laptop, Claude can keep working on its own computer. This launch also le…

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Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#196

Hi, this is my team! Happy to answer any questions. There's a lot in this launch, but the core idea is to simplify the product while giving users access to more capabilities. You no longer need to know ahead of time how much work a conversation might involve. If you're at your computer, Claude can use your local files and apps. If you close your laptop, Claude can keep working on its own computer. This launch also le…

As part of all the work being done I really hope the sidebar gets more user control. There is a bunch of stuff that I don't intend to use myself but take up first class space (designer is always there, I never need to bring up artifacts, etc). I'd like to reduce the sidebar to what I use most often.

Specifically around the work UX. Trying to bring up scheduled tasks is really painful and required a lot of clicking around instead of just seeing the task results under my project. I hope this is being looked at.

Lastly, and this is a real nit. Let me turn off the "tips" when stuff is being worked on. I'm already paying, you don't need to force a rotating feature advertisement into the interface.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#197

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And does having an AI call the restaurant instead of you doing it sound cool to you?

I’m not the person you asked but I’m also confused by this use case. Most restaurants have a web UI which is very simple and easy to use.

If I'm booking a restaurant I'll probably be discussing the date/time options with the people I'm going with, and I can't see how adding a chatbot to the mix is meant to help?

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#199

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honestly, one day i will understand why these guys go so hard on planning vacations. one of the best parts of vacations is actually planning it! trying to find restaurants, organizing your days, trying to fit activities -- that makes you look forward to your time off. really, i want to automate the boring parts of my life (did i really pay rent this month?) not the things that make me happy.

> one of the best parts of vacations is actually planning it For some. Others hate or fear it. For others it just feels like work.

Imagine the fear these people will feel walking in to a vacation planned by … a ROBOT!

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#200

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IMO no one knows what LLMs are capable of yet and the goal post keeping moving every few months that building any specific UIs right now risks rendering them obsolete or too slow. e.g. We went from somewhat smarter code autocomplete, to asking chatgpt copy paste, to cli agent running inside your project, managing session, to GUI to manage that, to projects where you talk to a "Chief of Staff" agent that manages other…

We have all that? I'm still copying and pasting off the WebUI of ChatGPT. Traditional and boring works for me.

"Traditional and boring works for me."

I wouldn't call copy & paste code from a webui of chatgpt either traditional or boring. I'd call it tedious, error prone and guaranteed to get poor results. There is much better tooling and harnesses to leverage now.

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