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Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Post by robotresearcher »

fernandotakai wrote: post #113
gffrd wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are modern infomercials. Concrete pains ("planning a vacation is hard!"), shallow solutions that don't stand up to real-world use, and, in the end, a promise left unfilfilled. (And a thing in your drawer that takes up space.)

honestly, one day i will understand why these guys go so hard on planning vacations. one of the best parts of vacations is actually planning it! trying to find restaurants, organizing your days, trying to fit activities -- that makes you look forward to your time off. really, i want to automate the boring parts of my life (did i really pay rent this month?) not the things that make me happy.

> one of the best parts of vacations is actually planning it

For some. Others hate or fear it. For others it just feels like work.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Post by jobigoud »

idle_zealot wrote: post #49
royal__ wrote: post #8

These kinds of updates always have this romantic scenario of someone having Claude develop a presentation or something on their way to work between multiple devices, which actually feels a little sad and does not align with what happens in my life at all.

This is a nightmare scenario to me. "Claude, prepare me a presentation on XYZ." I get to work, go straight to the meeting room, and pull up what it made to present. It's barely coherent nonsense. Lots of irrelevant details, buzz words, wrong charts or confusing phrasing. Obviously LLM output. I read it out. When I'm done, I get a question about one of Claude's incorrectly inferred details. The shame instantly kills m…

A Canadian politician did this during a speech in front of the house/parliament or whatever. In the middle of the speech the LLM wrote "Here's a more natural, flowing version of that section that reads like a legislative speech" and he read it verbatim and then continued on, not even realizing what he just read.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Post by dooglius »

peterldowns wrote: post #118

How did this new account `vertigoruntime` get three posts on the front page, all in the last day? - This post - The DeepMind Institute https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49727659 - Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49723408 based on their account submission history they have a 25% hit rate (!) Seems very, very weird.

It would appear no one else submitted the posts in question, so the most obvious answer is the account is finding interesting articles that no one else has found. It would be one thing if it won out of many dupe posters, but that doesn't seem to be what's happening.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#134

Post by ieie »

dvt wrote: post #61
jonathanberger wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's that anyone wants the interface to be chat. I think it's that the underlying technology is inherently words in and words out. It's similar to how devices with capacitive screens are most naturally going to support tapping, dragging, and pinching.

My personal hot take is that the product people (engineers too probably) at these companies are just straight up lazy. Yes, a new UI paradigm is hard, but it's been painfully obvious that chat just absolutely sucks. It's also obvious that some DSL-ish thing is possible, something that just does token juggling and the end-user sees some UI behavior. I know this all sounds abstract. I've been mulling over it for the pa…

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Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#135

Post by pferde »

Cyan488 wrote: post #86
idle_zealot wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nightmare scenario to me. "Claude, prepare me a presentation on XYZ." I get to work, go straight to the meeting room, and pull up what it made to present. It's barely coherent nonsense. Lots of irrelevant details, buzz words, wrong charts or confusing phrasing. Obviously LLM output. I read it out. When I'm done, I get a question about one of Claude's incorrectly inferred details. The shame instantly kills m…

Someone I know does this, and seems to think it's a flex, because he bragged about it being "the first time I've actually seen this presentation" a few times during the presentation. It was all awful.

I would immediately stand up and walk out of there. That's my time you're wasting!

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Post by kcrwfrd_ »

Sn0wCoder wrote: post #70
Sherveen wrote: post #6

People keep asking for this w/ Codex, too, and I really regret that both labs seem inclined to listen. If you ask a thinking/research type question in 'Chat' versus 'Work' mode in these products -- say, something complex about politics, or do a multiturn business strategy, or want to work thru a new concept, you get very different answers. The harness, steering, etc. in the chat/reasoning products is so much better f…

I hope not Chat is still all you can eat and Work uses Codex tokens. I can see why they would want people to think they wanted this without thinking about how it currently works. If Chat starts eating tokens then there is not much reason to use Chat other than most people don't live in the command line like developers. Claude Chat / Cowork already eats tokens either way so not much of a change really. I have never us…

I like the web chat UI for quick one off questions where I don’t want it to have the context of a local project I’m working in.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#137

Post by Jimmc414 »

peterldowns wrote: post #118

How did this new account `vertigoruntime` get three posts on the front page, all in the last day? - This post - The DeepMind Institute https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49727659 - Mistral X Mozilla: Private, Multilingual AI Browsing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49723408 based on their account submission history they have a 25% hit rate (!) Seems very, very weird.

They are all valid front page submissions by the looks of them and they appear to be the first ones submitted. It wouldn’t be hard to do if you cared enough to configure notifications for frontier announcements. If someone were using technology to influence submissions or misuse HN, that would be a concern but I don’t see any evidence of that.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Post by jamiegregz »

petcat wrote: post #10

Nobody really knows how to product-ize any of these LLM interfaces beyond just chat. They don't want a traditional UI with buttons and forms and labels because they want the interface to be "chat". The problem is that "chat" is tedious. And the turn-based, linear nature of the chat interaction model makes it even more tedious and unproductive.

We’re working on this problem at my company. All of our competitors have churned out a bunch of generic chat based agents (basic harness with a few tools connected and different system prompts) to do basic stuff you’d used to do from a wizard or even just a couple of buttons in a form. We’re steering away from this by building full ‘surface’ agents with A2UI and an initial surface message. The users just see a normal looking web application but under the hood it’s all driven by a harness. UI updates are effectively just new events received by the client. Events are either generated by an LLM directly, or deterministically - it’s up to the dev.

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

#139

Post by conception »

Cyan488 wrote: post #86
idle_zealot wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nightmare scenario to me. "Claude, prepare me a presentation on XYZ." I get to work, go straight to the meeting room, and pull up what it made to present. It's barely coherent nonsense. Lots of irrelevant details, buzz words, wrong charts or confusing phrasing. Obviously LLM output. I read it out. When I'm done, I get a question about one of Claude's incorrectly inferred details. The shame instantly kills m…

Someone I know does this, and seems to think it's a flex, because he bragged about it being "the first time I've actually seen this presentation" a few times during the presentation. It was all awful.

I feel like we need to normalize walking out of meetings like that. If you have no idea what you’re presenting why is anyone in the room?

Re: Claude Cowork and chat are now one Claude

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Post by jobigoud »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #27
petcat wrote: post #10

Nobody really knows how to product-ize any of these LLM interfaces beyond just chat. They don't want a traditional UI with buttons and forms and labels because they want the interface to be "chat". The problem is that "chat" is tedious. And the turn-based, linear nature of the chat interaction model makes it even more tedious and unproductive.

One thing I would like is a tree-like chat structure like reddit / HN. Many times I abandon the direction things have gone but would like to resume at some ancestor or sibling response.

You can do that right now in ChatGPT? Every answer has a "Branch in new chat" button. You can go back to any point and branch again.
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